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To: vladimir998; Iscool

“Augustine does believe just as I do.”


All Christians believe it. After all, this way of speaking is completely biblical. Christ instituted Himself, though obviously Christ did not believe He was really drinking and eating His own body. You’re just assuming that all Christians mean what you mean when they say it. Here’s your quote from Sermon 227, for example, in context. From Augustine’s perspective, it is not just Christ on the altar, but all Christians:

“That bread which you can see on the altar, sanctified by the word of God, is the body of Christ. That cup, or rather what the cup contains, sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ. It was by means of these things that the Lord Christ wished to present us with his body and blood, which he shed for our sake for the forgiveness of sins. If you receive them well, you are yourselves what you receive. You see, the apostle says, We, being many, are one loaf, one body (1 Cor 10:17). That’s how he explained the sacrament of the Lord’s table; one loaf, one body, is what we all are, many though we be. In this loaf of bread you are given clearly to understand how much you should love unity.” (Augustine, Serm. 227)

Notice how the little snippets from your website leave out all this context. Augustine then makes it clear that this is only symbolic. The body of Christ and His church are not actually consumed. Here’s more support, from sermon 227 which you quoted:

“What you can see passes away, but the invisible reality signified does not pass away, but remains. Look, it’s received, it’s eaten, it’s consumed. Is the body of Christ consumed, is the Church of Christ consumed, are the members of Christ consumed? Perish the thought! Here they are being purified, there they will be crowned with the victor’s laurels. So what is signified will remain eternally, although the thing that signifies it seems to pass away. So receive the sacrament in such a way that you think about yourselves, that you retain unity in your hearts, that you always fix your hearts up above. Don’t let your hope be placed on earth, but in heaven. Let your faith be firm in God, let it be acceptable to God. Because what you don’t see now, but believe, you are going to see there, where you will have joy without end.” (Augustine, Ser. 227)

This has already been dealt with before, in much greater detail, in one of my previous posts. Please address it before making further assertions of this kind.


263 posted on 06/04/2013 6:45:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

No, Christ knew exactly what He was saying and passed it onto the Apostles in exactly that way. It was His flesh and blood. That’s exactly what Christ said.


264 posted on 06/04/2013 6:52:23 PM PDT by vladimir998
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