[presently no screen name]

When we both say Salvation I am not even sure we are speaking of the same thing.

That's your first sentence and I stopped reading there.

There is ONLY ONE salvation - I'm not going to play a 'muddy the waters' game with lots of mumbo jumbo!

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is NOT from yourselves, it is THE GIFT of God— NOT by works, so that no one can boast. Eph 2:8

Hear and Obey. There is nothing to discuss. If you want salvation this is the ONLY way to receive it - as a Gift of by faith. 'Man' and their teachings on salvation is null and void - what they think, want or wrongly interpret just doesn't matter. The GIFT is from God, not man. Rome/man has nothing to do with anyone's salvation.

[Natural Law]

"Hear and Obey. There is nothing to discuss."

That's OK. I really didn't think you could or would engage in an actual discussion. I don't think anyone can differentiate your theology from Islam based upon the content of your posts.

[metmom]

2 Corinthians 5:17-21 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. 20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Until you become a new creation in Christ, there is simply know way of understanding this verse.

When you've become that new creation, you understand.

That's why it throws unbelievers so much when you talk about being *in Christ* and heave out the insults.