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To: Alex Murphy

Anyone who wants to know what a Catholic country looks like should take a good look at Venezuela whose population is almost entirely Catholic.

American Catholics who are conservative are not conservative because they are Catholics , they are conservative despite the fact that are Catholics because the country has rubbed off on them . It’s not the other way around .

Now Protestants , that is really where the shame lies because they ONCE knew the truth YET many have turned from the truth and EMBRACED sin .(I’m speaking of mainline churches who once knew the killing of children and homosexuality was sin and now condone it)


6 posted on 05/29/2013 11:50:19 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: Lera
>> Anyone who wants to know what a Catholic country looks like should take a good look at Venezuela whose population is almost entirely Catholic. American Catholics who are conservative are not conservative because they are Catholics , they are conservative despite the fact that are Catholics because the country has rubbed off on them . It’s not the other way around . <<

Actually, the big divide is between Caucasian and Hispanics. Caucasian Catholics tend to be conservative, Hispanic Catholics tend to be liberal. You cite an example of an uniformly Hispanic nation. Try comparing those politics to the politics of Poland (whose population is also almost entirely Catholic).

7 posted on 05/29/2013 11:54:38 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Lera

I’m Catholic but thankful this country was founded by Anglo-Protestants. The only decently run place with a large Catholic population was/is Northern Italy and Bavaria.


8 posted on 05/29/2013 11:56:45 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Lera

The following European countries are over 80% Catholic:
Malta
Poland
Portugal
Spain
Slovenia
Lithuania

The following European countries are over 80% Protestant:
Iceland
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Finland


Funny, seems to me all the far left-wing countries there are run by protestants.


13 posted on 05/29/2013 12:31:54 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Lera

Couldn’t disagree more. The Church, practically by definition, has been Conservative. It’s never called for government to legislate on behalf of the poor or to care for the poor. The Church champions voluntary charities because Catholicism like Christianity in general calls for individual accountability, not shared responsibility. What organization in the country has fought harder against abortion, gay marriage, divorce, promiscuity, Hollywood, academia than the Catholic Church. But of course I’m speaking of the Roman Catholic Church as an institution, not the various pretenders to membership in it. The church in early America had very little influence other than its efforts to relieve the poor Catholic immigrants’ lives; even so, it never sought government solution; it sought management recognition of its laborers’ needs which, admittedly led, wrongly perhaps, to the growth of unions which then led to a Catholic/Democrat alliance. Unfortunately, most of the Catholics raised in the solemnity of that alliance became more Democrat than Catholic.

I do agree that American Catholics are not Conservatives because of their Catholicism. To me it’s more a matter of consistency of belief. Individual accountability covers most of the spectrum in American (and other) politics. And while it’s absolutely true that that idea arose in America via the Puritan ethic, it had been true in Catholicism for centuries.

Lastly, though, it may be important to keep in mind that there’s no hierarchy in protestantism, no higher court, so to speak, so we don’t know what the official line or the valid teaching is. There is a hierarchy in Catholicism and that higher court almost always favors the American Conservative view.


18 posted on 05/29/2013 1:29:53 PM PDT by Mach9
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