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Pope Francis's Economics: Yes, He Has A Leftist View Of Free Markets
Forbes ^ | 05/25/2013 | Jerry Boyer

Posted on 05/26/2013 7:28:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 05/26/2013 7:28:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

In before some of our Catholic FRiends try to justify the new Pope’s obviously leftwing economic statements. At this point it has become abundantly clear that Pope Francis is an economic populist leftist - which is pretty typical of South American Jesuits.


2 posted on 05/26/2013 7:32:54 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...


3 posted on 05/26/2013 7:37:24 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Longbow1969

The author says Zacchaeus was a tax collector and not a loan shark.

I’d really like to know what his understanding of this passage in Luke 19:8 tells us about what Zacchaeus did before he repented:

” And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold.”


4 posted on 05/26/2013 7:45:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Longbow1969; fwdude
In before some of our Catholic FRiends try to justify the new Pope’s obviously leftwing economic statements. At this point it has become abundantly clear that Pope Francis is an economic populist leftist - which is pretty typical of South American Jesuits.

Too late. I posted the same article on Friday, and they came out to justify his position. Even got a complaint about which paragraphs I excerpted and which I left out.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

...they'll say it's not a duck. Rule One: The Pope is never in error, regardless of subject matter. Rule Two: If the Pope is found to be in error, see Rule One and kill the witnesses.

5 posted on 05/26/2013 7:48:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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RE: Rule One: The Pope is never in error, regardless of subject matter.

I am not Roman Catholic but...

That’s NOT what ex-cathedra means. Let’s not create straw men here


6 posted on 05/26/2013 7:50:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Longbow1969
It is all a matter of degree. Everybody would help their neighbor in a crisis. Not everybody would agree to provide a middle class living to people too lazy to get off the couch.

It is just as immoral to strip the earnings of a hard working family to redistribute to freeloaders as it is to deny a helping hand in time of need.

Christian leaders seem to lean to the left on charitable issues but it is understood that it must be within limits. Unlimited charity is not good for either the giver or the receiver.

7 posted on 05/26/2013 7:54:12 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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>>>I’d really like to know what his understanding of this passage in Luke 19:8 tells us about what Zacchaeus did before he repented:

The answer to that lies in the way the tax-collection system worked. He wasn't a loan shark. Plain and simple.

If you will read some history on this subject you will discover that the tax collectors of the day would sometimes require more than what was necessary...and would demand a tax that was somewhat higher than was necessary. IOW: Say you owed 15%...they would tell you that you owed 20% and keep the extra 5% for themselves.

That is how they made their money...by OVER taxing. This of course is contrary to the law of Moses....which is why the Jews really hated Jews who did it.

LOANS had nothing to do with the system...it was a system built on fraud...which is why Zacchaeus said what he did. He had basically robbed people.

Kinda what the government does today.

8 posted on 05/26/2013 7:54:19 AM PDT by NELSON111
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To: SeekAndFind
I am not Roman Catholic but...That’s NOT what ex-cathedra means. Let’s not create straw men here

I never mentioned their belief in "ex cathedra".

9 posted on 05/26/2013 7:55:27 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: SeekAndFind; Alex Murphy

That’s not what Alex Murphy meant, either. Any critcism or note of possibly less than conservative statements by the Pope or even the Vatican, from a Protestant, is met with vociferous denial and copious lengthy replies, it just rains down.

The odd thing is, these same posters decry Vatican II, question all manner of liturgical issues, darkly infer that “the smoke of Satan” is in the Church and some even freaked out when Pope Francis didn’t genuflect early on and called *him* Satan.

They’re the rad-trads, verging upon sedevacantist in my outsider’s opinion, it’s a very conflicted view of things on their part, almost Sybill-like from one post to the next, one day to the next. Outside criticism is immediately pounced upon and a multipronged attempt to discredit is immediately mounted, internally inconsistent though it usually may be.

This is the source of all the tremendously lengthy denominational tracts, sermons, somewhat childish daily make-and-do lists, wear purple, run around the courthouse square shaking maracas, put your Barbie on the credenza, your left foot in, your left foot out, and other minutiae that clog FR on a nightly basis. I’ve taken to terming it holy-scroller time and I usually sign off along about then in annoyance.

If it’s intended to be evangelization or proselytizing it’s very clumsy and patently off-putting. We’ve always had Catholic FReepers but these guys are a different breed, often intentionally disagreeable, and unnecessarily so.


10 posted on 05/26/2013 8:15:17 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

Ping for reference


11 posted on 05/26/2013 8:15:55 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: SeekAndFind
To preface, I don't see everything the way Catholics do - for that matter, very few others even. That said, Pope Francis appears to me to be a very humble servant of God. And until you hear him advocating taking from one and giving it to another, I'd not put much credence in statements of the unenlightened, calling him a leftist (i.e., socialist/communist).

Just sayin'...

12 posted on 05/26/2013 8:18:11 AM PDT by Errant
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Case in point.


14 posted on 05/26/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

He probably read the Bible. Yikes!


15 posted on 05/26/2013 8:28:35 AM PDT by District13 (I miss my country!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The official teaching of the Church is that it doesn’t favor one economic system over another. Also, popes have criticized the marxism masquerading as Catholicism known as “liberation theology.”


16 posted on 05/26/2013 8:37:42 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pope Francis supports tyranny and the suppression of human liberty by leftist tyrants. He thus supports those who would enslave humanity, and thereby surrenders his claim to any moral authority whatsoever.

God. Damn. Him.


17 posted on 05/26/2013 8:39:31 AM PDT by Maceman (Just say "NO" to tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So this is how these pro-abort celebrities keep getting communion.


18 posted on 05/26/2013 8:40:55 AM PDT by onedoug
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This is dumb, doesn’t the Pope know that Jesus invented capitalism?? Its in the Bible.


19 posted on 05/26/2013 8:44:20 AM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Errant

” Pope Francis appears to me to be a very humble servant of God.”

I’ve got no dog in this fight except that my wife is Catholic, but this whole humility, “servant-of-God” thing doesn’t square well when one has worked their way up the hierarchy of one of the most powerful, wealthy, often venal, organizations in the history of hard-ball Machiavellian politics, then puts down Capitalism in favor of the sort of feel-good propaganda that the Marxists always rely on.


20 posted on 05/26/2013 9:00:05 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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