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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
How does this make sense? My husband is living on this earth, and hears with a set of physical equipment including the various cells and tissues of the ears, the neural auditory pathways, the cerebral cortex and so forth. Not being present right now, though, I could call him on his cell phone.

The angels and archangels have no physical ears; and neither do the the saints in glory, whose physical sense organs are turning or have turned to compost; and neither, for that matter, does God our Father and the Holy Spirit, Who have never been embodied beings.

So there are two modes of hearing: by sense organs, and by a spiritual capacity beyond our physical knowing.

You seem to be making a category mistake.

::: Sigh ::::I think I'll send my husband an e-mail.

As for the citizens of heaven: they hear by the capacities proper to their new state of being. Or do you suppose they are locked in padded cells and isolated in eternal deafness?

Even Jesus speaks of Lazarus and Father Abraham hearing the cries of the rich man in torment. Are we to suppose they could hear that, but nothing else?

Please let me know what the Bible verse in my tagline means to you.

178 posted on 05/28/2013 3:21:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“How does this make sense? My husband is living on this earth, “


Just because Mary is in heaven, doesn’t give to her the divine attributes of being omnipresent and omniscient on Earth, ever ready to run to help the individual who cries out to her. On the contrary, this is the exact role given to God in the scripture. She, like your husband, is still very much limited by what she is... a creature, and not God.

“As for the citizens of heaven: they hear by the capacities proper to their new state of being. Or do you suppose they are locked in padded cells and isolated in eternal deafness?”


I propose that their abilities are not in any way God-like, since there is only one being who can hear the thoughts and prayers of every individual on Earth. Nor is there any reason to go to such an individual in the first place, from the Biblical perspective.

“Even Jesus speaks of Lazarus and Father Abraham hearing the cries of the rich man in torment.”


Evidently they were within crying distance:

Luk 16:23-26 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. (24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. (25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. (26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

And notice also he says to “send Lazarus.” Supposedly, Lazarus does not need to be sent, since he is always mystically present with every Catholic believer, per your tagline.


180 posted on 05/28/2013 3:28:25 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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