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To: RobbyS; daniel1212
RobbyS: "Pray tell how Christians were able to be the aggressors prior to their being made the established religion, at a time when they themselves, unlike the Jews, had almost no legal standing in the empire?"

quoting from my post #245: "So after the second century Revolts, Jews were invariably the victims, and after 380 AD, Christians the aggressors."

quoting from daniel212's post #17:

Sorry, I do my best to be both brief and accurate, sometimes arriving a bit short of the mark.

RobbyS: "And you are resisting the plain fact that Jews and Christians were rivals for the loyalty of young .Jews."

Just as they are today, without that justifying any state-sponsored terrorism against Jews, or anyone else who doesn't submit to ecclesiastical authorities.

RobbyS: "My guess is that after Constantine’s time, many Jews joined with many pagans to follow the path to power by joining the Church.
The Church Fathers were not entirely happy about the swelling of numbers."

Christian numbers more than doubled every century until the year 400 AD, and have continued to grow every century since.
Along the way, the Catholic Church and others have accommodated a wide variety of regional cultural practices and values within its own teachings -- especially where local traditions dove-tail Christian messages.

But there is also a "dark side", a long history of misusing its political powers to suppress and oppress non-believers.

247 posted on 06/13/2013 4:44:56 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: BroJoeK

There is the “small”matter that until the time of Theodosius, which followed the critical battle of Adrianopolis, which changed the whole calculus of power, that it was more than two generations after the Edict of Milan which first legitimized the Christians. I was speaking of the situation before the Diocletian persecution, which itself was the climax of more than 50 years of “hard times” for the Christians. This is far more relevant to the question of the influence of the Jews on the Christians of Antioch than any discussion of persecution after the Establishment of Catholicism as the state Church under Theodosius. That, of course, was soon followed by the sack of Rome and the German invasions in the West, which ended the Catholic political ascendency is Gaul, Spain, and Africa, and finally Italy itself. The situation of the Church of Rome, as the Latin patriarchy, was pretty bleak in 500, with the only bright spot being the conversion of the Frankish king and his court about that time. There was a dark side, all right, and Church persecution of others had little to do with it.


248 posted on 06/13/2013 7:31:45 AM PDT by RobbyS
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