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To: boatbums

Just as Heaven is a real place, so is hell,


I’m not so sure about that. Some interesting links:

https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=4kq&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&biw=1680&bih=890&q=%22WHY+HELL+IS+VANISHING+FROM+CHURCHES+AND+THE+BIBLE%22&oq=%22WHY+HELL+IS+VANISHING+FROM+CHURCHES+AND+THE+BIBLE%22&gs_l=serp.3...11841.14468.0.14650.2.2.0.0.0.0.1067.1067.7-1.1.0...0.0...1c.1.14.serp.MtuFRffgP0o

To me, the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

I confess that I started getting into this when I began reading the greek and hebrew lexicons - both the King James and NIV sources.

The first “revelation” was the use of the word “mansions” inthe KJV. It is baloney. Translating the greek to “mansions” is like translating the word for “car” to “limousine”. I’ve found many others.

It’s amazing how we trust the translations of others. Most of the time it’s benign because it’s hard to argue meaning. But this hell thing looks really like a conspiracy to fill church pews with scared people. Just taking it at face value is fine, but if it causes you to believe that our “loving” God’s version of justice is sending a person to eternal torment for a single, slight transgression is absurd. He presents Himself to us in a way we can understand from a human perspective. One reason He came in the flesh is to communicate that He knows intimately what temptations we have to deal with. It also allows us to understand the importance of His forgiveness and the value of His sacrifice.

Proverbs says, twice, that there is a way that seems right to man, but it’s end is death. I believe that. And it is “death”, not eternal torment. It is plain. It was meant to be.


309 posted on 05/28/2013 6:13:39 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
I don't think the argument over the translations of certain words is a sufficient enough reason for rejecting what has been believed and taught in the Christian faith from the start. Here is a link you might find helpful: An Examination of Annihilationism

Just as Scripture does not support universal salvation, it also doesn't support annihilationism. You have the freedom to believe what you want on this doctrine, but you cannot prove unquestionably that you are correct. The idea of an eternal punishment IS something Jesus made clear such as in Luke 12:4,5 "I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell." Fear is a healthy emotion when it is a legitimate and Biblically sound reaction. Jesus is not playing games or just trying to scare people with his words.

310 posted on 05/28/2013 10:14:22 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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