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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

**He similarly receives worship, not because of the Father in Him, but because of who He is personally.**

“Not because the Father in Him”?? You’re making that up, and how do I know?.....your absolute dodge of John 14, and the continual dodge of explaining the unscriptural phrases ‘God the Son’ and ‘God the Holy Ghost’, that are used to help explain the ‘trinity’.

**It does not speak of Christ as being a human vessel of flesh, mind and bone, a mere vessel for the “soul” of the Father.**

Once again you show you ignorance of the scriptures; “But a body thou hast prepared me.” The soul of Jesus Christ was given a body, and the Father dwells in the body, along with the soul of a man; the man who said, “..thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” Who didn’t leave the Christ’s soul in hell? The Father. Who didn’t allow the divinely created, yet mortal, body see corruption? The Father.

**Either Christ is a created being separate from the Father, or He is God and has always been with the Father.**

There is no separation. God tried to tell you in John 14, but you don’t believe his words there.

**Either way, you seem to say whatever it takes to get by.**

No, I seem to say things that go against your unscriptural understanding of the Godhead. Three separate and distinct, co-equal persons of God equals three Gods, not ONE. Your problem, not mine. Good night.


639 posted on 05/13/2013 8:57:11 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel
you don’t believe

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

640 posted on 05/13/2013 9:06:20 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Zuriel

““Not because the Father in Him”?? You’re making that up,”


How, exactly, am I making that up? Isn’t it you who is making it up that when Christ takes on a title of God, applying it to Himself “I am,” that He was really just KIDDING? Why go through the trouble of accepting worship, which no man or angel ever does, and being called Almighty, and declaring His sovereign right to be so called, and yet have it all be “well, not really ME! Just the Father, is who I really mean.” As for John 14, there is nothing to dodge in there at all.

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”

Christ even says that the Father is in Him, and HE is in the Father. And then WE are in Christ. From your logic, whenever the Father glorifies Himself, is He glorifying the Son within Him? When Christ glorifies Himself, is He speaking of us as the Alpha and the Omega?

Your logic sure is illogical, and I lifted up my eyebrow Spock style for you too.

“There is no separation. God tried to tell you in John 14, but you don’t believe his words there.”


So I take it you’re a pantheist? It is illogical to apply it only to the Son and the Father, when we’re in there too.


641 posted on 05/13/2013 9:26:31 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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