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To: Zuriel

“I’ve covered that before, but I’ll try again: Was your physical body fathered by God?


First of all, Christ already had existence before the incarnation. His incarnation was merely the Word made flesh, but before that the Word was with God and was God from the BEGINNING (John 1:1). Do you suppose, then, that God “physically Fathered” the “Mighty God” in eternity? (Isaiah 9:6). Christ further asserts that He had always existed, “Before Abraham was, I am,” before they took up stones to stone Him. The verb used is that of present tense, as in continual Being, not “I was” in the Greek. He uses the same title as God in the Old Testament “I Am” (From Exodus). So, is Jesus Christ the perpetually existing “I AM” because in eternity, the Father physically reproduced, and filled the Word (who was still spirit) with the Holy Spirit without measure? How is one perpetually existing if He has a beginning, and how does one receive the Holy Spirit in your body before you have a body? And, how is it that God is able to form another separate God?

FYI, was Jesus physically fathered by God? It says here He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. There was no sexual intercourse... I do agree that the Holy Spirit is God though:

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

“The Holy Ghost proceedeth FROM the Father......SENT from the Father. The Father SENT the Son....
The source of all power is traced back to the Father (who dwells in his Son). “


The Holy Spirit is sent by both the Father and the Son, as He is called both the “Spirit of God” and “The Spirit of Christ,” (unless you want to say that Christ is God, and therefore He is only one person’s Spirit) as already shown. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit and the Son are not just extended bits of energy. They are distinct individuals with their own identities. The Son prays to the Father (why would a piece of energy, or a created projection, pray to the projectee?), the Holy Spirit speaks of Himself, can be lied to, and is called God in the fullest sense. How does one lie to God, if they are actually lying to the Holy Spirit who is not actually God? What you say only makes sense if the Holy Spirit and the Son had no identities of their own. But if they have their own identities, then their claims to be God are fully justified, because they are fully God.

“Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons?”


I’m perfectly okay if you go down this route, though it makes you a modalist, which is a different heresy than the one you have promoted. If you say that the Word is not a separate and distinct person from God, then you confess that the Word that was made flesh (Christ) is actually God all along. In which case, to fix your modalism, I would again point you to what I said one paragraph above, and add “The Word is WITH God AND IS God,” to prove they are both distinct and yet one God.

“Hopefully my schedule won’t be so demanding this week, and I’ll be home more often. “


To be honest with you, I am perfectly indifferent to your presence, so there’s no need to tell me your schedule all the time.


1,238 posted on 05/27/2013 10:29:46 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

This is quick. Only home briefly. So, if I didn’t cover it all, I’ll be back sometime.

**And, how is it that God is able to form another separate God?**

He didn’t.

**Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.**

The Son constantly referred to his Father. The Holy Ghost proceedeth from the Father (which is what the Son said to be the case). Now.......you can say, in your three separate system, that the Father is the father of the Son, and that the Holy Ghost is is the father as well, therefore God had two fathers.....(facepalm).

**The Holy Spirit is sent by both the Father and the Son, as He is called both the “Spirit of God” and “The Spirit of Christ,”**

And in those passages, the Spirit is never called “God the Holy Spirit (Ghost)”. It’s the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead. “..that like as Christ was raised by the GLORY OF THE FATHER...”. Rom. 6:4

“..If we believe on him”..(which ‘person’?)..”that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead..”. Rom. 4:24

Everything divine is traced back to the Father.

**“The Word is WITH God AND IS God,” to prove they are both distinct and yet one God.**

So.....someone else does the talking for you?

**Word that was made flesh (Christ) is actually God all along.**

The image of the invisible God. Not ‘God the image’. “God was IN Christ, reconciling the world unto himself” 2Cor. 5:19. The invisible God just so happens to be the Father. Jesus Christ showed you that in his prayer in John 17:1-3 (remember?....one of the several questions you still haven’t answered.)

**To be honest with you, I am perfectly indifferent to your presence, so there’s no need to tell me your schedule all the time.**

I’m glad you’re being honest with me. Actually you once equired as to my absence, remember?...(from your post 1017)

**(I’m not sure why you needed time to know how to reply,**

Actually, giving my schedule out is a bit of a OTR driver’s habit. We seem to always be giving out such info to dispatchers, logistics brokers, shippers, receivers, and of course, the WIFE!


1,239 posted on 05/29/2013 9:48:34 PM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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