**That’s like saying the Spirit of God isn’t God, because God owns His own Spirit. And yet, God wouldn’t be God unless He had His Spirit, and the Father wouldn’t be a Father at all unless He had the Son. To take away any of the members of the Trinity, then God is no longer God.**
That’s your carnal man reasoning: You see God moving here,...then over here,...then over here, and decide that it takes three separate being to do that, whe the reality is: We haven’t the faintest grasp of what it’s like to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.
**These ideas are barely even coherent, since all it does is make the accusation stronger. So, essentially, you say that believers “will have the same dual nature” as you allege Christ has, yet you don’t explain why it is believers cannot claim to be God, as Christ does, or receive worship, as Christ does, even though they have the same Spirit in them that you claim allowed Christ to claim divinity.**
I’ve covered that before, but I’ll try again: Was your physical body fathered by God? Have you had the Spirit GIVEN to you without measure? Has God placed all fulness in you?
**For the very simple reason that Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of David. In other words, He is truly God and truly man.**
...God, because of the Father in him.
**..God wouldn’t be God unless He had His Spirit..**
The Son, speaking of the Father in John 4:23,24, declared that “God is a Spirit”. Can you define God better than the Son? The Son is the image of the invisible God.
**Isa_48:16 ... and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.**
Already covered that a couple of posts back.
Your situation is quite similar to Philip’s. You see the Son of God (not ‘God the Son’), although not literally like Philip, but in the scriptures, yet are expecting the Father to be another being that’s separate, visible (though immortal). Jesus told Philip, “Have I been so long time with you, and yet thou hast NOT known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” (you probably have the next two verse memorized by now;..includes the phrase, “he doeth the works”).
**Did they lie to the Holy Ghost, or did they lie to God? Is the Holy Spirit God because He has the Father in Him too? So goes your silly argument.**
The Holy Ghost proceedeth FROM the Father......SENT from the Father. The Father SENT the Son....
The source of all power is traced back to the Father (who dwells in his Son). The Son tells you many times that everything comes from the Father. I have two hands, two legs, eyes, ears, etc. They all have different capabilities, and mostly work at the same time.......under the direction of ONE brain. Reminds me of Heb. 1.1
**Apparently you can’t make up your mind on whether the Word is God or not. If the Word is not distinct from God, then the Word is just another name for God (thus, you’re a modalist). But the scripture teaches that the Word is both with God and is God.**
That’s one of my questions you won’t answer, remember?....Are you made in the image of God? Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons?
Well, it’s past bedtime, and I’ve answered most of you questions. If I missed some, they’ll just have to wait. Just like I have to wait for you to answer the list of questions I’ve given you three times.
Hopefully my schedule won’t be so demanding this week, and I’ll be home more often. A 5 truck company is a 4 truck company when one driver quits. The rest of us have to cover the loads until a replacement is hired. Cheers.
“I’ve covered that before, but I’ll try again: Was your physical body fathered by God?
First of all, Christ already had existence before the incarnation. His incarnation was merely the Word made flesh, but before that the Word was with God and was God from the BEGINNING (John 1:1). Do you suppose, then, that God “physically Fathered” the “Mighty God” in eternity? (Isaiah 9:6). Christ further asserts that He had always existed, “Before Abraham was, I am,” before they took up stones to stone Him. The verb used is that of present tense, as in continual Being, not “I was” in the Greek. He uses the same title as God in the Old Testament “I Am” (From Exodus). So, is Jesus Christ the perpetually existing “I AM” because in eternity, the Father physically reproduced, and filled the Word (who was still spirit) with the Holy Spirit without measure? How is one perpetually existing if He has a beginning, and how does one receive the Holy Spirit in your body before you have a body? And, how is it that God is able to form another separate God?
FYI, was Jesus physically fathered by God? It says here He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit. There was no sexual intercourse... I do agree that the Holy Spirit is God though:
Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
“The Holy Ghost proceedeth FROM the Father......SENT from the Father. The Father SENT the Son....
The source of all power is traced back to the Father (who dwells in his Son). “
The Holy Spirit is sent by both the Father and the Son, as He is called both the “Spirit of God” and “The Spirit of Christ,” (unless you want to say that Christ is God, and therefore He is only one person’s Spirit) as already shown. Furthermore, the Holy Spirit and the Son are not just extended bits of energy. They are distinct individuals with their own identities. The Son prays to the Father (why would a piece of energy, or a created projection, pray to the projectee?), the Holy Spirit speaks of Himself, can be lied to, and is called God in the fullest sense. How does one lie to God, if they are actually lying to the Holy Spirit who is not actually God? What you say only makes sense if the Holy Spirit and the Son had no identities of their own. But if they have their own identities, then their claims to be God are fully justified, because they are fully God.
“Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons?”
I’m perfectly okay if you go down this route, though it makes you a modalist, which is a different heresy than the one you have promoted. If you say that the Word is not a separate and distinct person from God, then you confess that the Word that was made flesh (Christ) is actually God all along. In which case, to fix your modalism, I would again point you to what I said one paragraph above, and add “The Word is WITH God AND IS God,” to prove they are both distinct and yet one God.
“Hopefully my schedule won’t be so demanding this week, and I’ll be home more often. “
To be honest with you, I am perfectly indifferent to your presence, so there’s no need to tell me your schedule all the time.