“He further explain that those that receive the Spirit of God will have the same dual nature as him: a human being filled with Spirit....”..and greater works shall he do; because I go unto the Father”. (remember, he had to go away before the Comforter would come)
The words “AT THAT DAY” expressly tell us that we will be like him, when filled with the Spirit, BECAUSE.....”For as many as are led by the Spirit of God (not ‘God the Spirit’),”
These ideas are barely even coherent, since all it does is make the accusation stronger. So, essentially, you say that believers “will have the same dual nature” as you allege Christ has, yet you don’t explain why it is believers cannot claim to be God, as Christ does, or receive worship, as Christ does, even though they have the same Spirit in them that you claim allowed Christ to claim divinity.
Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Notice the Holy Spirit is here called both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ who dwells within us. Yet, despite having Christ in us, and the Father in us (he’s in Christ!) as you would read John 14th, the Apostles reject worship, even when Christ accepts it routinely.
“The Son was appointed heir of all things (Heb 1:2). How can he be ‘appointed heir’ to something that was already his, according to your belief system?”
For the very simple reason that Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of David. In other words, He is truly God and truly man. As God made flesh, He “thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men” (Php 2:6-7). That Christ submitted Himself to the Father, and relied on the power given to Him alone as the perfect human being rather than on His own power, does not take away from the fact that Christ is “the Almighty” & “the Mighty God” (Rev 1:8, Isaiah 9:6).
“Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons? (we are made in the image of God aren’t we?)”
Apparently you can’t make up your mind on whether the Word is God or not. If the Word is not distinct from God, then the Word is just another name for God (thus, you’re a modalist). But the scripture teaches that the Word is both with God and is God.
Joh_1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
That is why the Holy Spirit is both God, and is yet with God:
Isa_48:16 ... and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Act 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? (4) Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
Did they lie to the Holy Ghost, or did they lie to God? Is the Holy Spirit God because He has the Father in Him too? So goes your silly argument.
Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Is Jesus Christ God because of the Father in Him, but not Thomas himself who would later be filled with the ‘Spirit of God’ & “The Spirit of Christ”?
“Well, we’re making progress...you agree that there are possessives.”
That’s like saying the Spirit of God isn’t God, because God owns His own Spirit. And yet, God wouldn’t be God unless He had His Spirit, and the Father wouldn’t be a Father at all unless He had the Son. To take away any of the members of the Trinity, then God is no longer God.
I’ll stick with the firm word of the scripture over your confusion any day.
**That’s like saying the Spirit of God isn’t God, because God owns His own Spirit. And yet, God wouldn’t be God unless He had His Spirit, and the Father wouldn’t be a Father at all unless He had the Son. To take away any of the members of the Trinity, then God is no longer God.**
That’s your carnal man reasoning: You see God moving here,...then over here,...then over here, and decide that it takes three separate being to do that, whe the reality is: We haven’t the faintest grasp of what it’s like to be omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient.
**These ideas are barely even coherent, since all it does is make the accusation stronger. So, essentially, you say that believers “will have the same dual nature” as you allege Christ has, yet you don’t explain why it is believers cannot claim to be God, as Christ does, or receive worship, as Christ does, even though they have the same Spirit in them that you claim allowed Christ to claim divinity.**
I’ve covered that before, but I’ll try again: Was your physical body fathered by God? Have you had the Spirit GIVEN to you without measure? Has God placed all fulness in you?
**For the very simple reason that Jesus is both the Son of God and the Son of David. In other words, He is truly God and truly man.**
...God, because of the Father in him.
**..God wouldn’t be God unless He had His Spirit..**
The Son, speaking of the Father in John 4:23,24, declared that “God is a Spirit”. Can you define God better than the Son? The Son is the image of the invisible God.
**Isa_48:16 ... and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.**
Already covered that a couple of posts back.
Your situation is quite similar to Philip’s. You see the Son of God (not ‘God the Son’), although not literally like Philip, but in the scriptures, yet are expecting the Father to be another being that’s separate, visible (though immortal). Jesus told Philip, “Have I been so long time with you, and yet thou hast NOT known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” (you probably have the next two verse memorized by now;..includes the phrase, “he doeth the works”).
**Did they lie to the Holy Ghost, or did they lie to God? Is the Holy Spirit God because He has the Father in Him too? So goes your silly argument.**
The Holy Ghost proceedeth FROM the Father......SENT from the Father. The Father SENT the Son....
The source of all power is traced back to the Father (who dwells in his Son). The Son tells you many times that everything comes from the Father. I have two hands, two legs, eyes, ears, etc. They all have different capabilities, and mostly work at the same time.......under the direction of ONE brain. Reminds me of Heb. 1.1
**Apparently you can’t make up your mind on whether the Word is God or not. If the Word is not distinct from God, then the Word is just another name for God (thus, you’re a modalist). But the scripture teaches that the Word is both with God and is God.**
That’s one of my questions you won’t answer, remember?....Are you made in the image of God? Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons?
Well, it’s past bedtime, and I’ve answered most of you questions. If I missed some, they’ll just have to wait. Just like I have to wait for you to answer the list of questions I’ve given you three times.
Hopefully my schedule won’t be so demanding this week, and I’ll be home more often. A 5 truck company is a 4 truck company when one driver quits. The rest of us have to cover the loads until a replacement is hired. Cheers.