Posted on 05/10/2013 7:36:49 PM PDT by boatbums
He also said that He is the door.
Is He made out of wood then?
What about Him saying he’s the vines and we’re the branches?
Does He or we look like plants to you, all green and leafy?
Why not take those statements literally as well?
Actually there are some Orthodox who agree that “rock” refers to Peter.
Unlike the Catholic Church, however, I do not believe that the Orthodox is uniform in their belief on the primacy of Peter. It is my understanding that generally speaking Orthodox agree that Peter is the first among equals (and therefore holds a special place). It, however, does not agree that he is Supreme (ie. Primacy vs Supremacy).
No, we are recognizing that our interpretation can be wrong.
I’m sure many Catholics have had times in their lives when they would like to believe that a Scripture means something different than what the Church teaches. However, if we accept the authority of the Church given to it by Christ Himself, then we know that we must not follow our own will. It’s not about us deciding *we* are correct, but that Christ and His Church are correct.
I know we don’t always come across that way, but that is how we should be coming across.
None of those comments had the disciples leave him and say “that teaching is hard”. OTOH, they did leave Him when He said to eat His flesh.
Jesus is our savior. We've already been judged as righteous when we put out trust in Him and received Him.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
And by Peter's own words, ALL believers are little rocks.
1 Peter 2:4-10 4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
6 For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”
7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,”
8 and
“A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.”
They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are God's people; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Did you read bb's post number 57 where that is explained as well?
That is ludicrous. I don't know how people can rationalize being equal and being first at the same time.
It can't be both at the same time.
Equal precludes having someone in first place. Being first precludes equality.
Thus is still qualifies as their own personal interpretation of Scripture. They have simply adapted one already established as opposed to reading Scripture and following the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Now, I find this odd.....
I’m sure many Catholics have had times in their lives when they would like to believe that a Scripture means something different than what the Church teaches.
The attitude is that if Catholics disagree with each other or the Church about a doctrinal issue, then it's of no import as the Catholic will eventually come around and accept the Church's teachings.
If a non-Catholics has a difference of opinion of the interpretation of a passage of Scripture, then it's definitive proof of the inherent weakness of *Protestantism* where every man is his own pope and it can't be of the Holy Spirit because there is disagreement.
It's a blatant double standard.
On one hand (the Catholic one), disagreement is not an issue.
On the other hand, disagreement (mom-Catholic) IS an issue.
It sure would be nice to see some consistency amongst Catholics both in deciding that disagreement is or is not an issue, and applying it to themselves and others.
Now, mind you, I don't ever recall encountering you before on these threads and that was NOT directed at you personally. Please don't take it personally because you have not done that. Your comment was just a sounding board to address what has happened far too often on these threads in regards to the issue of interpreting Scripture.
Eating unclean flesh and drinking blood is EXPRESSLY forbidden by God throughout Scripture and the eating of blood is one of the few commandments reiterated by the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
Some have and do, but it puts a bee in the bonnet of heavily partisan, foreign Roman Catholics on this forum to ever bring it up.
Look to those churches comprised of people originally proselytised by Cyril and Methodius but brought under Rome by the sword for an example.
Do you really understand the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to the Body and Blood of Christ.
trnas = transfer
substantiation = substance
Do you really understand the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to the Body and Blood of Christ??
trnas = transfer
substantiation = substance
Do you really understand the transubstantiation of the bread and wine to the Body and Blood of Christ??
trnas = transfer
substantiation = substance
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I think most do understand the concept. They examined those claims and the possibilities of the passages, the context and the parts of Greek and have come to a different conclusion, rejecting the Roman view.
While they may believe Christ performed this miracle celebration at the Passover Supper, they believe we are participating in a memorial to continue until the return of Christ, and not an identical miracle each time we celebrate the Lord’s Supper.
Let me try to make this clear for you. John Boehner is a member of the House of Representatives, at the exact same time is his the Speaker of the House. He is equal to the other Representatives but at the same time holds a place of honor.
You would think that a person that homeschools would have a better understanding of this.
I meant the Latin, O Dimwitted Pharisee Mark.
Moreover it was jest, as Kenny Bunk understood. Sorry to learn that humor is above your pay grade.
John 3:14-18 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Note the temporal tenses. Is not condemned. Does that not mean that there is the possibility (given Judgement) that one MAY be condemned?
And by Peter's own words, ALL believers are little rocks.
And Peter, given the first authorization by Christ, also passes it on to all believers. Thank you for further verification of my belief. You just may become Catholic once again.
You stated that the pope is ‘first among equals’. So which bishop do you submit yourself to since you don’t follow the Bishop of Rome?
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