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How the West Really Lost God
Crisis Magazine ^
| May 10, 2013
| Austin Ruse
Posted on 05/10/2013 3:30:05 PM PDT by NYer
A few weeks ago Mitt Romney spoke at a college commencement exercise and encouraged the graduates to marry early and have a lot of children. He used the words quiver full taken from the Old Testament.
The comment was unremarkable, particularly for a Mormon to make. They are known for marrying early and having quivers full of children. Contra the contraceptive culture, even among Evangelicals, the notion of a quiver full from the Psalms is gathering steam among orthodox believers.
Here is what he said, You only live one life. Dont spend it in safe, shallow water. Launch into the deep. If you meet a person you love, get married. Have a quiver full of kids if you can. Give more to your occupation than is expected of you. Serve God by serving his children.
A panel on Piers Morgans CNN show cackled like hens at what he said. So outrageous was his comment that they literally could not stop laughing.
One panelist from the Los Angeles Times said, Were seeing the real Mitt Romney emerge. This is maybe why he didnt do so well with single women.”
A professor from Columbia University said, This is the Mitt Romney I did not want to vote for, that I did not vote for. He kept making us think that he was this normal moderate guy but really he is a religious fanatic telling 21 year old college graduates to have binders-full of children. Is it really abnormal, immoderate, and fanatical to counsel early marriage and big families?
CNN was not the only news outlet to erupt in mocking laughter at Romneys comment. It was all over the place.
Not long ago such comments by an American politician would have been met with yawns. They would have been considered safe and true bromides. And not long ago a national news operation would have fired anyone for mocking such comments as religious fanaticism.
The good news is that American politicians are still making such comments. Look across the Atlantic and such comments by a European politician would be unthinkable, career ending.
What we are witnessing is the near absolute victory of secularism in Europe and its aggressive rise in the United States. How this happened in Europe and is happening, albeit more slowly, in the United States is the topic of an important new book by the remarkable Mary Eberstadt.
Eberstadts book looks specifically at How the West Really Lost God. The really is in her title because she proposes a new theory that now competes with other more established theories of religions decline, all of which, according to Eberstadt, are missing a key component.
A favorite of the new atheists is the assertion that people stopped needing the imaginary comforts of religion. Eberstadt responds that faithfully practicing religion is quite hard. After all, it requires you to observe practices of the faith that can be onerousfasting, for instanceor practices that are inconvenient like going to church on Sunday or those that may be downright challenging like living constricting sexual norms that the rest of society either ignores or laughs at or both.
Secularists like to claim that religion declined as science and rationalism took center stage starting with the Enlightenment. Eberstadt points out that the masses were not part of the Enlightenment, that 18th century elites were not modern atheists but rational Christians and that those who seek to draw a straight line from Voltaire to twenty-first century atheists tend to forget the great religious revival of the intervening 19th century.
She similarly dispatches claims that the World Wars killed Christianity and that material progress did, too.
Some theories of secularization she accepts but sees them as only parts of a larger puzzle. Urbanization and industrialization can be seen as parts of a larger whole but they still leave something out. She says that authoritative scholarly books have been written on the topicDavid Martins On Secularization for instancethat do not have a single mention of this mysterious factor.
So what is this factor, what is the real reason for religions decline? It is the family and the familys decline. She calls it the Family Factor and it explains a lot.
Many of us have taken so many secularization theories as matters of faith: faith declines with education, or riches, or modernity and that families decline as religion does. Eberstadt says its the other way around. All those people who crowded into factories and into cities may have slowly lost the faith and all those who have PhDs and big jobs may have lost the faith, but the reason is that they also started having smaller families or broken families or no families.
As with many things in life, one does not need a sociological study to show the truth of this. Getting married and having children practically push us into the practice of faith. A wild-thing in college gets married, has a baby and almost immediately thinks of finding a Church. Taking the child to Church inevitably leads the parent to the same thing.
Look at it another way. Catholics love to picket the Bishop when at long last he has to shutter empty churches and emptying schools. These same Catholics grump about there not being enough priests. Odds are these same complaining Catholics use contraception, had only two children and have waned in the practice of their faith while they wax nostalgic for earlier days.
Eberstadt points out something that all sociologists and theories of secularization agree with, that the great cliff that the faith fell from was the 1960s. And it wasnt because of rock music, Vietnam or marijuana. It was the pill. Eberstadt has dealt beautifully with the pill in her wonderful book Adam and Eve After the Pill. She points out that the Pill simply destroyed and continues to destroy families and when the family is destroyed the faith declines.
A short column cannot do justice to the wide and deep reading and all the evidence Eberstadt has marshaled for her argument, so you are urged to read this book. What is certain is that this is one of those books that will forever change the conversation about why Christianity is in decline in the West.
TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: bookreview; christendom; evangelical; faith; mormon; thewest
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To: NYer
To: Elsie
Ah... FINALLY someone on FR that can explain all the BENEFITS of being a MORMON!Would that it be that all those who tell us that they are so pure and Christian-like actually acted like Christians instead of like the vengeful hand of God. Do the voices in your head tell you that you are doing His work, or did you decide that all on your own?
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posted on
05/11/2013 9:14:08 AM PDT
by
trebb
(Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
To: NYer
I don’t buy this at all.
At least here in the Northeast, it is by far the upper-middle class that have most maintained intact families—and yet you’d be hard pressed to find anyone within those families under the age of 70 who believes literally in the Christian teachings about Christ (as opposed to the teachings of Christ, which would still be widely embraced).
The issue, I think, is that those religions which spread most vigorously in the past are those which teach origination stories and doctrine that are challenged by education and modernity.
Meditation and Buddhism actually fit much more comfortably in this demographic in part because they don’t teach what for many has become unbelievable and in part because they don’t tend to be so institutionally hierarchical, looking as if those at the top prosper from the faith of those below.
To: James C. Bennett
Amen to that.
In this sex-crazed society, fornication is never mentioned as sinful. My oldest brother was a Deacon in the Catholic Church. He told me that statistics show that those who commit fornication before marriage, tend to be the same ones who commit adultery in a marriage. The sinfulness of sex outside of the marriage bond, and one’s abstaining from it before marriage, gives a person a stronger will to not be unfaithful in a marriage.
OTOH, if a person does not treat fornication as a serious offense against God, they will likely not think twice about adultery. Their conscience fortress walls have already been breached!
True Christians ought to treat sins of the flesh equally - fornication, adultery and homosexual acts are all sinful in nature. The fact that homosexual acts are unnatural as well, make them seem worse, but in God’s eyes are they worse? My view of homosexuals is that when they flaunt their sinful acts and relationships, they are not only promoting their hedonism, they are deliberatley trying to assault my sensibilities. It becomes doubly offensive to me.
But, the same can be said of some hetersexuals who are immodest, crude, lewd, etc in their behavior. My belief is that sexuality is a personal thing and ought not to be inflicted upon others in an agressive and flaunting manner.
The Catholic Church has done studies of couples who cohabitated before marriage, and/or committed fornication before marriage. Their studies showed that such couples were more apt to have failed marriages - with one exception when the couple were in a committed (engaged to be married) relationship and were already in the process of planning their wedding. Then it seemed that the risk of divorce was only slightly higher than couples who did not engage in fornication.
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posted on
05/11/2013 10:38:41 AM PDT
by
Gumdrop
To: trebb
Do the voices in your head tell you that you are doing His work, or did you decide that all on your own? Oh my!
Zap the messenger time.
Never seen THIS tactic used when the FACTS cannot be disputed.
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posted on
05/11/2013 10:59:20 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Gumdrop
In this sex-crazed society, fornication is never mentioned as sinful. Hell; NOTHING is!
The media reports all kinds of EVIL; but NEVER any SIN!
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posted on
05/11/2013 11:00:33 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: 9YearLurker
Provocative. One thing I do notice about those people, though, is that however secure their own families may be, they’ve been known to undercut other people’s family lives by encouraging social trends that can have destructive consequences.
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posted on
05/11/2013 11:03:14 AM PDT
by
x
To: Gumdrop
My view of homosexuals is that when they flaunt their sinful acts and relationships, they are not only promoting their hedonism, they are deliberatley trying to assault my sensibilities.They're the one's the media does NOT show.
Just the 'loving couples' we INTOLERANT folks will NOT allow to marry!
Genesis 13:13
Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
2 Peter 2
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
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posted on
05/11/2013 11:03:17 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: x
I agree—other strata of society can’t as well handle the ‘freedoms’ and policies that they promote.
I do wonder whether it is the decline in belief in traditional religion, coupled with technology that makes art and the precious less rare, that is the cause of all the putrid cynicism and irony and basic unwholesomeness that has overtaken our culture.
I don’t see the pill as the cause of it all, but there was a lot to be said for the innocence that seemed to come with earlier marriages.
I really don’t know that we’ll succeed in getting any of it back.
To: NYer
Usually, when two theories are advanced to explain the same phenomenon, both theories miss a root cause common to both.
In this case, the root cause of the decline of the West is Protestantism. Its insistence of Bible alone sufficient for individual understanding of Christianity disrupted the continuity of Christian faith from the Fathers of the Church and gave rise to a self-contained skeptic who believes that because he can read he has no need for the Church, and because he can figure out science he has no need of God.
Its idea that faith is separate from good works, and that predestination operates without regard of good works based on declarative faith alone has created a man without an obligation beyond an economic debt. Child rearing then ceased to be a work of obedience to the first commandment given man, and became a matter of economic expediency; marriage became a contract voidable upon mutual consent.
Both theories have a common root.
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posted on
05/11/2013 12:45:04 PM PDT
by
annalex
(fear them not)
To: steve86
No kidding. Hannity is basically Pelosi-Lite as far as his Catholicism goes.
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posted on
05/11/2013 12:57:22 PM PDT
by
TradicalRC
(Conservatism is primarily a Christian movement.)
To: annalex
Its insistence of Bible alone sufficient for individual understanding of Christianity disrupted the continuity of Christian faith from the Fathers of the Church and gave rise to a self-contained skeptic who believes that because he can read he has no need for the Church, and because he can figure out science he has no need of God.Ignore the sins behind the curtain.
You surely remember them!
They were Counter Reformed away after the SINs of the CHURCH caused certain brave people to PROTEST them.
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posted on
05/11/2013 3:27:42 PM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Elsie
Absolutely. It is the fault of the Catholic Church that the Reformation happened. It shouldn’t have happened, and now souls are lost.
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posted on
05/11/2013 8:11:03 PM PDT
by
annalex
(fear them not)
To: metmom; yefragetuwrabrumuy
To: metmom; James C. Bennett; yefragetuwrabrumuy
Yet, watch how
most, including here, give fornication a free pass, as if it were nothing.
I think it's this word that is causing a lot of the trouble.
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posted on
05/12/2013 3:47:24 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: annalex
It is the fault of the Catholic Church that the Reformation happened.But, how is it even POSSIBLE for the CHURCH to have any fault in it?
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posted on
05/12/2013 3:49:38 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trebb
Do the voices in your head tell you that you are doing His work, or did you decide that all on your own?
I never endorsed or slammed anything or anyone -
O... k...
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posted on
05/12/2013 5:39:33 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: trebb
They just followed in the footsteps of many on FR - nothing original in the derision. Nope - no knocking here...
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posted on
05/12/2013 5:41:32 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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