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To: BillyBoy
The Catholic Church, on the other hand, sees the Pope as the Vicar of Christ, the Vicar of Peter, and having special authority over all other bishops as the Supreme pontiff of the Universal Church.

The traditional Church view is 'first among equals'. However, there are a number of idiots who have taken Vatican I to the extent that they consider that the Pontiff (bridge builder) is really the bridge master (troll keeper).

I will bring up the analogy of 'Nuns on a Bus' as examples of Roman Catholics who have gone very much astray.

23 posted on 05/11/2013 3:55:39 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr
>> The traditional Church view is 'first among equals'. <<

Yes, the traditional ORTHODOX Church view.

The concept that the successor to Peter has special authority ABOVE all other bishops predates even the 1054 schism. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of Papal infallibility that was established at Vatican I. You can find the doctrine on papal primacy going back to the time of Pope Leo the Great and earlier. Pope Damasus I (366-384) and other figures claimed universal jurisdiction over the whole church. If you want to believe in the Orthodox teachings that the bishop of Rome is merely granted an honorary position of "first among equals" and has no special authority over others, you're entitled to that belief. But no matter how much you claim it's Catholic doctrine, your beliefs are in sync with the Orthodox Church. Pope Francis would never claim he's "first among equals" and has no more power than the bishop of Milan.

Garry Wills makes a similar argument as you. He says he's a good Catholic and prays the rosary every day, yet he insists that priests have no power to consecrate the eucharist and we can all interpret scripture as we wish. He says this is the "traditional church view". It certainly is the traditional Protestant church view, but it is NOT the Catholic Church's view no matter how much he claims otherwise.

28 posted on 05/11/2013 3:52:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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