Posted on 05/09/2013 12:23:28 PM PDT by topher
Gay activists show up with dirty hands to protest Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, are denied entry
NEW YORK CITY, May 7, 2013 (LifeSiteNews) – After Timothy Cardinal Dolan wrote a column comparing practicing homosexuals and others who approach Holy Communion in a state of serious sin to children who fail to wash their hands before supper, homosexual Catholics and their supporters showed up for Mass at St. Patrick’s Cathedral with filthy hands as a form of protest, and were denied entry.
Joseph Amodeo, the organizer of the protest, said that the act of dirtying their hands was an attempt to tell Cardinal Dolan that those who practice the gay lifestyle should be accepted as they are.
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In truth the Christians win in the end. We know how the end goes.
The good news is that house cleaning is ongoing.
Those are your words. There is no denying that. See what one is able to do when selectively presenting portions of a statement. Do you mind if I selectively quote you in the future when you post incomplete or out of context snippets of Catholic doctrines and dogmas?
That said, on an emotional level, I share your disgust. I was raised a Catholic and the revulsion I feel for the clergy for their sins of omission and commission over so many decades really destroyed my morale. Nearly all the priests I had contact with growing up in Wisconsin were gay. Some of them openly gay. A few even preaching gay rights from the pulpit. Putrid. It really got so I couldn't look at a roman collar without puking.
I'd like to find a congregation that doesn't tolerate fags at all, but that is Catholic in its basic theology. Still looking.
I know the intellectual arguments as well, but just cannot divorce myself from the emotional response.
I know someone who is friends with a gay guy who went though seminary for the EO church and he left it. He confirmed that homosexuality is rampant within the seminary.
In Greek culture, men not marrying is frowned upon, but *My son, the priest* is a badge of honor, so all the gay guys go into the priesthood because they can get away without marrying.
I’m sure I will be shredded for sharing an anecdotal incident, but that’s just a risk you have to take and I have no reason to think that the people who told me this are lying.
Nor is it really is much of a stretch to think that the homosexual lobby could and would infiltrate the ranks of the clergy.
More damage is done to the name of Christ from within that which calls itself Christianity, than from outside.
Well, that is certainly an unimpeachable chain of evidence isn't. However, my mother-in-law's hair dresser's daughter's boyfriend's gardeners' cousin's pet groomer's mechanic who quit the same seminary says that gay guy is a liar.
Predictable as the sunrise.
One thing about Catholics, they don’t disappoint.
Within the inertial reference frame of the solar system the earth does not rise. Like the theology of the reformation sun rise is a distortion of reality to fit within the perspective of the individual.
priesthood is an office.
If a priest is guilty of sin, he can still validly say the mass for others: for that is him acting in the office of the priesthood, but when he does so he is commiting a personal sin.
The holiness or sinfulness of the actor who takes Jesus’ place in celebrating the mass does not make the Mass itself invalid...
As a doc, I see it this way: Being a doctor is also an “office”: I could be the worst sinner in the world, but if I give you the correct antibiotic you will get better. Same here.
as for the quote about being a priest forever: That is a Biblical quote...Hebrews 7:17.
This is what God thinks of priests who live immoral lives....
1 Samuel 2:12-17 12 Now the sons of Eli were worthless men. They did not know the Lord. 13 The custom of the priests with the people was that when any man offered sacrifice, the priest's servant would come, while the meat was boiling, with a three-pronged fork in his hand, 14 and he would thrust it into the pan or kettle or cauldron or pot. All that the fork brought up the priest would take for himself. This is what they did at Shiloh to all the Israelites who came there. 15 Moreover, before the fat was burned, the priest's servant would come and say to the man who was sacrificing, “Give meat for the priest to roast, for he will not accept boiled meat from you but only raw.” 16 And if the man said to him, “Let them burn the fat first, and then take as much as you wish,” he would say, “No, you must give it now, and if not, I will take it by force.” 17 Thus the sin of the young men was very great in the sight of the Lord, for the men treated the offering of the Lord with contempt.
1 Samuel2:27-35 27 And there came a man of God to Eli and said to him, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Did I indeed reveal myself to the house of your father when they were in Egypt subject to the house of Pharaoh? 28 Did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to go up to my altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? I gave to the house of your father all my offerings by fire from the people of Israel. 29 Why then do you scorn my sacrifices and my offerings that I commanded for my dwelling, and honor your sons above me by fattening yourselves on the choicest parts of every offering of my people Israel?’ 30 Therefore the Lord, the God of Israel, declares: ‘I promised that your house and the house of your father should go in and out before me forever,’ but now the Lord declares: ‘Far be it from me, for those who honor me I will honor, and those who despise me shall be lightly esteemed. 31 Behold, the days are coming when I will cut off your strength and the strength of your father's house, so that there will not be an old man in your house. 32 Then in distress you will look with envious eye on all the prosperity that shall be bestowed on Israel, and there shall not be an old man in your house forever. 33 The only one of you whom I shall not cut off from my altar shall be spared to weep his eyes out to grieve his heart, and all the descendants of your house shall die by the sword of men. 34 And this that shall come upon your two sons, Hophni and Phinehas, shall be the sign to you: both of them shall die on the same day. 35 And I will raise up for myself a faithful priest, who shall do according to what is in my heart and in my mind. And I will build him a sure house, and he shall go in and out before my anointed forever.
1 Corinthians 5:1-12 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. 4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.
6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
And is not communion partaking in eating with the priest?
God has VERY clear and direct commands about what to do with those who practice immorality in the church.
Why Catholics disobey God and not only tolerate, but excuse and rationalize disobeying God in His clear commands is beyond me.
How Catholics who do this expect to escape the judgment of God themselves for not condemning what God so clearly condemns is beyond me as well.
2 John 1:4-11 4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father. 5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another. 6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it. 7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. 9 Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11 for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.
There are also plenty of passages of Scripture that deal with the qualifications for elder or deacon, none of which allow for immorality.
Context is your friend.
That whole chapter is talking about JESUS, not earthly priests.
It's not the same.
The equivalent would be you treating me physically after doing an autopsy without gloves and then delivering babies.
You do know what the death rate for those mothers and babies was simply because they didn't wash their hands, don't you?
Those priests who engage in that kind of sin are defiled spiritually and it has consequences.
So god punishes the people who attend their mass? I don’t think so.
however, I do agree that when the priest is living in sin (of many sorts, not just sexual sin) it does have consequences for the church and it’s people.
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