[Doogle]

the muslim backed rat party...

[laweeks]

I still say it’s the long-term result of Vatican II, when everybody’s favorite liberal pope decided to make drastic changes to most of the Catholic traditions, beliefs, and ceremonies.

Once they let the “lay” people in charge, all hell broke loose: cafeteria Catholicism was in vogue . . . pick what you want to believe . . . no more respect for the consecrated Host . . . no more respect for priests or nuns . . . blah, blah, blah

[jtal]

What’s killing Catholicism?

Wolves in bishops' mitres.

[D-fendr]

Interesting point(s) in this article, thanks.

I think I would say that it is the same things that are killing all religious: Secularism, relativism, humanism, statism.. all wrapped up into a popular culture that seeks to destroy the spirit.

Pope-emritus Benedict said we are living the end results of the Enlightenment. I think of this mainly as humanism and individualism - fertilizer for the sin of pride. When this grows in a human, she/he cooperates with the evil one in his/her own downfall.

So, my two cents worth is that the enemies of the Church are no different today than in the past; they are only more popular and more ubiquitous.

[Kenny Bunk]

Father Dwight shows quite a bit of restless Yankee gumption, git-up-and-go, enterprise and adventure himself. He worked his way up from the Mennonites, Evangelicanism (or down depending upon your POV) to become an Anglican priest, then a Catholic Monk.

Let's hope he doesn't try eastern religions. I can see this guy becoming a Hindu Holy Guy, a Bhuddist monk, a Shinto Bonze, then a leading Imam.

However, you never read something he writes without coming away richer.

[dragonblustar]

Liberalism.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Scriptural modernism killed the American Catholic Church. Of course, Fr. Dwight can’t say this because he’s a scriptural modernist (gotta prove he’s not a fundie anymore, y’know!).

[pgyanke]

Bishops lacking intestinal fortitude. If they had held firm, the Church in America wouldn’t be in disarray.

[Mach9]

I don’t disagree with what’s here; but what’s not here is Vatican II and its profound, if disastrous effect on Catholics in America, in particular. Europe’s Catholic identity had already begun to decline, but America’s Catholic population was thriving; orthodoxy reigned. The Church in 1962 America, very definitely the monolith Nancy Pelosi claimed it wasn’t, needed no “open windows,” no vistas of reform. Convents were full and happy; Catholic elementary education, for the most part, was free, available, and superior.

Vatican II, along with America’s post-war super-power status accidentally (?) destroyed all that.

Along with the communist efforts to sabotage seminaries (Bella Dodd) and the burgeoning peace/feminist/academic movements (also communist-inspired), American Catholicism simply faced too many fronts to defend. And, in keeping with “the spirit of the council,” it mistakenly eschewed orthodoxy with as much fervor as it had previously reserved for heretics.

Thankfully, however, there is no such animal as the American Catholic Church.

[haffast]

The Creation of the Religious Left

“When people reflect on the Christian church they generally picture a fellowship of believers whose focus is on *spiritual growth*, *spreading the faith*, and *good works*. These were the church’s primary goals until the last few decades. There is a wide gulf, however, between yesterday’s goals and today’s agenda. The American mainline churches the most prominent of which are the United Methodists, the United Church of Christ, the Presbyterian Church (USA), the Episcopalians, the American Baptists, many Catholic leaders and orders, and the Lutheran Church in America - have realigned their priorities in a frighteningly *political* direction.”

“A growing percentage of Christian leadership has abandoned its role as *spiritual shepherd* because it no longer considers humanity’s *spiritual welfare* its greatest concern. A great many bishops have rejected *winning souls* in favor of *influencing political issues*. Church bureaucracy now neglects traditional mission in favor of *lobbying for political causes*. In fact, certain sectors of the church now make it their primary business to manufacture, widely distribute, and finance a radical agenda by which they hope *to save the world*. In doing so, they have created the *Religious Left*.”
http://cmpage.org/betrayal/chapt1.html

[Lurker]

American Catholics, mostly.

[traderrob6]

For later

[Ransomed]

The bishop’s thinking that they can teach publicly without using public discipline. Any first grade teacher knows that won’t work.

Freegards

[plain talk]

Ping for later read of comments

[stop_fascism]

Things wrong with the Catholic church:

1. There are a lot of people who call themselves Catholics but never attend church (well, maybe once or twice a year). That tends to distort polls.

2. The Bishop’s do not excommunicate politicians who flaunt the church’s teaching.

[loveliberty2]

From the web site, "The Official King James Version of the Bible," the following words seem apropos to this discussion, as well as others, today:

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Pure Cambridge Edition

 

Other Translations of Proverbs 14:12

There is a way which seemeth right vnto a man: but the end thereof are the wayes of death.
- King James Version (1611) - Compare to scan of original Proverbs chapter 14

There is a way {which seems} right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
- New American Standard Version (1995)

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death.
- American Standard Version (1901)

There is a way which seems straight before a man, but its end is the ways of death.
- Basic English Bible

There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof is the ways of death.
- Darby Bible

There is a way which seemeth just to a man: but the ends thereof lead to death.
- Douay Rheims Bible

There is a way which seemeth right to a man, but the end of it are the ways of death.
- Webster's Bible

There is a way which seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
- World English Bible

There is a way -- right before a man, And its latter end [are] ways of death.
- Youngs Literal Bible

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
- Jewish Publication Society Bible

View Wesley's Notes for Proverbs 14:12

14:12 Right - There are some evil courses which men may think to be lawful and good. The end - The event shews that they were sinful and destructive.

[BO Stinkss]

Sodomites

[Salvation]

A lot of good reasons here, but I am going to propose one that I believe is happening.

All (well, most) the other churches have endorsed homosexuality, abortion, euthansia, contraception, embryonic stem cell research.

The Catholic Church has maintained its spine and stood against these items.

As a result — people have fallen into the trap/heresy of modernism and have taken the easy way out -— Let’s attend another church (small c) that is more modern thinking than the Catholic Church.

So they go off and are soon supporting all the sins mentioned above.

[Sergio]

bkmk

[beaversmom]

I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a car yesterday. “I’m Catholic and I Vote.” That was in one corner. The other corner: “Obama 2012”.