Posted on 04/28/2013 6:44:48 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
Washington D.C., Apr 27, 2013 / 01:09 pm (CNA).- A survey commissioned by the U.S. bishops finds that almost 80 percent of Catholics support legal changes that allow immigrants to gain “earned citizenship” through meeting certain requirements.
“It is clear that Catholics understand the importance of this issue,” Archbishop José H. Gomez of Los Angeles, who chairs the U.S. bishops’ migration committee, said April 19 in response to the poll.
“As an immigrant church, Catholics from all walks of life understand the migration experience and accept the Gospel’s call to welcome the stranger.”
The survey, commissioned by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops’ Office of Migration Policy and Public Affairs, found that 77 percent of U.S. Catholics support citizenship for immigrants who fulfill requirements like registration, paying a fine, paying taxes, and taking English classes.
Eighty-four percent of respondents agree that requiring immigrants to register with the government in order to remain in the country would improve national security.
Another 75 percent of respondents said immigration law enforcement should be focused on “humane values” that deport violent criminals but “finds ways to work with people who have come to find a better life.”
Most respondents said that border security and humane treatment of illegal immigrants are compatible and most agree that the Church has an obligation to help those in need, even if they are illegal residents. Additionally, most believe that immigrants are good for the economy, and most thought that enforcement-only policy focused on deportations is bad for family unity.
Sixty percent of Catholics who attend Mass weekly or more said that the immigration issue is very important to them.
The Catholic bishops have endorsed changes to immigration law, such as allowing an expansive “path to citizenship” for undocumented immigrants and expanding legal migration for low-skilled migrant workers.
Archbishop Gomez encouraged Catholics to ask their legislators to support “humane” immigration reform, saying this would “help our brothers and sisters come out of the shadows and become full members of our communities.”
It is incredible the way you promote your immigration agenda and use personal attacks to do it.
I am against immigration, it is destroying us and making abortion impossible to end, gay marriage inevitable and empowering the democrats and killing off conservatism forever, yet you support immigration.
Why do you support importing masses of democrat voters, what do you think that does to our chances of ending abortion and returning to conservatism?
Can you explain your disconnect, of being on a conservative forum yet supporting the importation of masses of liberal, pro-abortion voters?
Buddy
You just encountered arguably the biggest jackass of the forum
He’s a troll
Copped an old south nick to look legit
He’s just here to spew his hatred for anyone over 40 and I guess to swing his KOC blade around
Nothing Dixie about this cretin
He’s a veritable psycho
I’ve been hearing this “but the illegals are all good Catholics argument since forever”.... they are not good Catholics.... their behavior largely mimics that other problematic bunch
Yes and I will bite on dummy’s hypothetical about if they were all Calvinists.... lol....who talks like that since the 1700s
Well if the illegals were all charismatics or SBC or lipscomb/harding COC or Lutheran MoSynod
Then hell yes...by all means that would indicate they are a fairly safe bet to help save America
Just look at post 3, it is spot on.
To: Alex Murphy
You see this among many freepers when mass Catholic immigration and the hopes of the democrat party/pro-abortion left for coming to total control of America are mentioned.
Many FR Catholics still do not want to stop it.
3 posted on 4/28/2013 6:59:12 PM by ansel12
You said the US is overpopulated by 100 million people. What do you believe should be done to correct this?
“Why do you support importing masses of democrat voters, what do you think that does to our chances of ending abortion and returning to conservatism?”
If conservativism is only appealing to white people, then:
1, we aren’t doing our job to sell conservativism to everyone.
2, we have work to do to correct the system such that it will provide opportunities to speak out about conservativism.
To me, the biggest problem isn’t immigration - it’s the welfare state. Why a conservative would argue against immigration and for the welfare state makes no sense to me. Eliminate the free handouts.
A big reason why people don’t value conservativism and market economics is that it has no reality on their day to day life. When they can cash in their taxpayer funded EBT card - what sense does it make to be conservative? Nothing. People come because of the bennies - take the bennies away and you’ll get the people who want to become Americans.
If you’re in favor of ending abortion, how do you reconcile that with your fervent belief that America is overpopulated by 100 million people? Is it just because they are the wrong kind of people?
Do you support contraception?
Hey, tag team anti Catholics!
“Then hell yes...by all means that would indicate they are a fairly safe bet to help save America.”
And that’s my point. Thank you. It’s not about anti-immigration at all. Immigration is fine if it’s bringing in more people like you.
“I’ve found that the condemnation of excessive sanctimony to be the hallmark of liberals and libertarians. Presumably because they believe that virtue ought to be moderate.”
Well that’s one way for you to rationalize away your shabby behavior. There’s little evidence that you possess even moderate virtue. What you display is the moral preening of a Pharisee.
Was that intended as a rebuttal? You’re providing more evidence of it.
In any case, why do you regard sanctimony as an insult?
“If conservativism is only appealing to white people”
That’s twice that you have made this “white people” charge.
Please indicate where someone made a race comment on this thread.
The only poster I can find who has been fixating on race has been you.
No numbnuts
Its about bringing in folks likely to vote conservative
If we are to allow such high velocity immigration...as we have the past 4 decades
Under the controls prior to 1965 it wouldn’t have mattered so much
We have transformed our country more in the past 40 than in the previous 160
And in a decidedly more liberal direction
With folks who see themselves often as victims and our heritage as one of oppression with racial, ethnic, gender, and religious overtones.....and have proven to not assimilate much like Europeans of all stripes did....and the more European Latinos do
Basically one big hate crime...us and the white Western civ in general
They are on the cusp of being undefeatable....in such a short time from Magnus final year to this....24 years
This is bad news for us....if you disagree you might should rethink why you post here
Its Camp of the Saints meets Hegel meets Alinsky meets the Hadiths
“In any case, why do you regard sanctimony as an insult?”
You might try a dictionary for starters:
sanc·ti·mo·ny (s ngk t -m n ). n. Feigned piety or righteousness; hypocritical devoutness or high-mindedness. [
Are you asserting that the problem is too many white people immigrating into the US?
I thought, and perhaps mistakenly so - that you believed the problem was too many hispanic people immigrating into America. Ansel has said that before in other threads.
Now, I’m certainly willing to admit that I was wrong, but I don’t think I am.
Do you have a problem with the level of hispanic immigration into America? Do you think that this level is substantially higher than of non-hispanic folks?
Ansel12 posted nothing about race on this thread. He addressed the topic of the thread which is Catholic support for immigration.
The one introducing race on this thread has been you.
Evidently you have a grievance against “white people”. And you are trying to hijack the thread into being a discussion about race.
“racial, ethnic, gender, and religious overtones”
Not enough white, male, protestant Europeans then. I rest my case. You need to get on the horn with Pelham and explain why the Republican party needs to keep itself pure.
My argument has always been thus. Conservativism appeals to everyone. The problem is the welfare state - that you are removing people from the action of capitalism. People will not act according to the dictates of free market capitalism if they are sheltered from it. This is basic logic.
Remove the welfare state, and you will see people prefer conservativism. The democrats get this. The democrats know that the more people that are dependent on them, the greater their hold on the electorate.
There is a reason why people vote conservative, because they believe it to be the rational choice for them. The reason people vote democrat is because it is the rational choice for them. The secret to electoral success is to get a real understanding why.
Why do they vote democrat? It’s because they are getting money from the state. Pure and simple. If it’s not them, it’s someone that they care for, and someone that they believe will be worse off, and they don’t believe that there is much of a reason to go either way.
That’s really all there is to it.
Either the Republican party can attack the true source of their electoral defeats, or they will vanish in the wind. Given that they seem not to even understand the first point that conservative ideals win in a market environment - I’m going with dying a slow quiet death.
Hahahaha, yeah, I have a greivance with mighty whitey. Damn, son.
Amazing detective work there. Hey, I heard Timmy fell down the well again.
You have a bad habit of attributing to others what you wish to think they said since your reply fits your template
You do this with everyone son....I attribute that to your youth and immaturity
Race baiting has no effect on me...so fire away
I suspected you were a Sinkspur sort....
Yes pelham is my pal....in fact I have a positive history of many years with many on this thread
Look it up....its freeper lore
Cool. I take it my statement that social security is an entitlement struck a nerve.
Truth does that, yessir.
I’m used to people attacking me for asserting Conservative principles. You do realize that I support immediate deportation of all those found in America illegally?
One would think someone for whom illegal immigration is the primary concern would see my as an ally and not an antagonist.
Same with Pelham, fwiw. If the issue were sincerely about illegal immigration aren’t we all on the same side of the issue?
I don’t get that vibe from any of you. I see it as you wanting an America that reflects your ideals and that anyone that doesn’t fit shouldn’t be a part of it. Catholics, especially. That bothers me. I believe in a party inclusive in backgrounds, but narrow on principles.
If they are willing to side with us on the important issues, then great. Beyond that I don’t care. White, black, blue, brown, yellow. Young or old. Catholic or Protestant, or whatever.
The demographic reality is that we are going to have to pitch our case for conservativism to hispanic people. Or fade into oblivion. That’s the reality. We can either choose to take that mission on or shrink from it.
Your choice.
I don’t see how complaining about how immigration these days isn’t going to change what is the case now. TBF - the strongest argument to set things right is to toss out contraception altogether. A nation and a people that chooses not to have children is going to be replaced by those that do.
Catholics are not Evangelicals.
At some point in his life he began visiting a Baptist church ~ they are Evangelicals, not 'reform'.
All too often it is obvious to me that McCain acts based on mistaken beliefs he carried over from his Episcopal upbringing.
Thomas Jefferson figured that out way back when he created the Democratic Republican party. Shortly he demonstrated that by focusing on getting his supporters out to vote he could easily swamp other politicians who focused on issues.
He destroyed the Federalists and several other parties.
Eventially the Whigs came along with their idea of building a coalition party around public works and investment. That worked sufficiently well they were able in a few elections to match the Democrats candidate for candidate in virtually every district, and state, and at the Presidential level.
The Whigs got hung up on the issue of slavery and wouldn't bend. They lost the support of enough people to go out of business. They were replaced by a new party called Republican ~ created with no more difficulty than that of sponsoring a committee to select a candidate to run for President. They lost their first election. They won their second. The Civil War started.
Back to the point ~ the hispanics hate American whites and despise American blacks. Whichever political party they take over they're going to be alone. That forever dooms them to a secondary role in the American political process.
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