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To: wardaddy

Cool. I take it my statement that social security is an entitlement struck a nerve.

Truth does that, yessir.

I’m used to people attacking me for asserting Conservative principles. You do realize that I support immediate deportation of all those found in America illegally?

One would think someone for whom illegal immigration is the primary concern would see my as an ally and not an antagonist.

Same with Pelham, fwiw. If the issue were sincerely about illegal immigration aren’t we all on the same side of the issue?

I don’t get that vibe from any of you. I see it as you wanting an America that reflects your ideals and that anyone that doesn’t fit shouldn’t be a part of it. Catholics, especially. That bothers me. I believe in a party inclusive in backgrounds, but narrow on principles.

If they are willing to side with us on the important issues, then great. Beyond that I don’t care. White, black, blue, brown, yellow. Young or old. Catholic or Protestant, or whatever.

The demographic reality is that we are going to have to pitch our case for conservativism to hispanic people. Or fade into oblivion. That’s the reality. We can either choose to take that mission on or shrink from it.

Your choice.

I don’t see how complaining about how immigration these days isn’t going to change what is the case now. TBF - the strongest argument to set things right is to toss out contraception altogether. A nation and a people that chooses not to have children is going to be replaced by those that do.


58 posted on 04/29/2013 12:19:01 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: JCBreckenridge
BTW, because of our single member district political structure we will always end up with two large coalition parties roughly equal in effective voting strength.

Thomas Jefferson figured that out way back when he created the Democratic Republican party. Shortly he demonstrated that by focusing on getting his supporters out to vote he could easily swamp other politicians who focused on issues.

He destroyed the Federalists and several other parties.

Eventially the Whigs came along with their idea of building a coalition party around public works and investment. That worked sufficiently well they were able in a few elections to match the Democrats candidate for candidate in virtually every district, and state, and at the Presidential level.

The Whigs got hung up on the issue of slavery and wouldn't bend. They lost the support of enough people to go out of business. They were replaced by a new party called Republican ~ created with no more difficulty than that of sponsoring a committee to select a candidate to run for President. They lost their first election. They won their second. The Civil War started.

Back to the point ~ the hispanics hate American whites and despise American blacks. Whichever political party they take over they're going to be alone. That forever dooms them to a secondary role in the American political process.

60 posted on 04/29/2013 5:39:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge
To me, the biggest problem isn’t immigration - it’s the welfare state. Why a conservative would argue against immigration and for the welfare state makes no sense to me. Eliminate the free handouts....

I have nothing against legal immigration. I think it’s a net boon and benefit to America. I oppose illegal immigration and believe all those found to be in America illegally should be deported. I believe that consistant enforcement of the present immigration rules would drastically change the landscape such that many would leave of their own accord. But this would require consistant enforcement by deporting everyone, no exceptions, found to be here illegally....

Conservativism appeals to everyone. The problem is the welfare state - that you are removing people from the action of capitalism. People will not act according to the dictates of free market capitalism if they are sheltered from it. This is basic logic. Remove the welfare state, and you will see people prefer conservativism. The democrats get this. The democrats know that the more people that are dependent on them, the greater their hold on the electorate....

I believe in a party inclusive in backgrounds, but narrow on principles. If they are willing to side with us on the important issues, then great. Beyond that I don’t care. White, black, blue, brown, yellow. Young or old. Catholic or Protestant, or whatever. The demographic reality is that we are going to have to pitch our case for conservativism to hispanic people. Or fade into oblivion. That’s the reality. We can either choose to take that mission on or shrink from it. Your choice.

Sounds like two minutes of anti-Catholic hate to me. Or is that just your schtick?

I don’t get that vibe from any of you. I see it as you wanting an America that reflects your ideals and that anyone that doesn’t fit shouldn’t be a part of it. Catholics, especially.

If that's the vibe you're getting, you might try putting down the vibrator.

61 posted on 04/29/2013 6:23:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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