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"Jehovah's Witnesses' Untold Story of Resistance to Nazis"
The Christian Science Monitor ^ | 19961-10-6 | Joel P. Engardio,

Posted on 04/25/2013 2:16:56 PM PDT by count-your-change

"Unlike Jews and others targeted by the Nazis, the Witnesses were prisoners of conscience. They could have bought freedom by signing a declaration card that renounced their faith and pledged allegiance to Hitler. Few took the offer. Most stayed, and many died.

Why Hitler bothered to single out such a minor group - and the tenacity with which the Witnesses resisted him - is what makes their story significant, says Michael Berenbaum, director of the Research Institute at the US Holocaust Museum in Washington. "The Jehovah's Witnesses were literally the only martyrs of the Holocaust," Mr. Berenbaum says."

(Excerpt) Read more at centralprint.net ...


TOPICS: History; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: holocaust; jehovahswitnesses; nazi; prisoners; shoah
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To: fso301

But that is not what the author wrote. He specifically said “only martyrs”...


21 posted on 04/25/2013 3:13:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (Isn't the lesser evil... still evil?)
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To: TheBattman
But that is not what the author wrote. He specifically said “only martyrs”...

I tend to think there were others such as Seventh Day Adventists that resisted in large enough numbers to be identified as a group.

However, other than JWs, what other sizeable group of people can be pointed to as having had a choice to remain "free" by bowing down and worshiping Hitler, or refusing and being sent to concentrations camps that chose the camps?

22 posted on 04/25/2013 3:25:08 PM PDT by fso301
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To: count-your-change

Man for a country that is supposed to pride itself on one of its basic tenants, freedom of religion, and this site, considering the principles it also stands for, the vitriol of some posters about other peoples choice of religion is depressing.

As for the use of the word martyr, get over it. I don’t think I have ever read where the Jews, or for that matter the Gypsies, were ever offered a get-out-of-concentration-camp- for-free card.

Educate yourself and look up the word martyr, and for that matter victim.


23 posted on 04/25/2013 3:28:07 PM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: onceone

You are free to beleive whatever you want and I am free to mock you for it.
Freedom does not mean freedom from criticism, unless you are a liberal, then it does.


24 posted on 04/25/2013 3:30:47 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: onceone

For Jews it appears to be a racial bias since Hitler tried to remove any Nazis with Jews in their family line back several generations. Something about “racial purity” and rot like that.


25 posted on 04/25/2013 3:37:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: svcw
I have a problem with this guys claiming JWs were the only martyrs during WWII

Can you cite another sizeable group whose members were given a choice to remain "free" by bowing down and worshiping Hitler, or refuse and be sent to the camps that collectively chose the camps?

26 posted on 04/25/2013 3:37:41 PM PDT by fso301
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To: TheBattman

I won’t respond further to slander and deliberate misquotes.


27 posted on 04/25/2013 3:42:44 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: svcw

Mocked, by a person who does not understand the difference between martyr and victim?


28 posted on 04/25/2013 3:44:35 PM PDT by onceone (0311, K Co., 3/5 1st Mar Div, RVN '68)
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To: Vendome
Well Berenbaum’s comments are his own, It was part of the article and I am not going to edit it at all.

I wish all would read the article before commenting and look at this definition of “martyr” before any knee jerk reactions:

a person who voluntarily suffers death as the penalty of witnessing to and refusing to renounce a religion

Then they can ask why Berenbaum, a Jew, said what he did.
And actually read the article.

29 posted on 04/25/2013 3:52:31 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: fso301
The Holocaust Museum in Washington tells much of their story of preaching and making converts even in the camps.

Many of the JW’s were sent off to Stalin's camps too where their story of resistance and faith was repeated.

31 posted on 04/25/2013 4:06:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Read the article 1st?

Is that a New rule on FR before commenting? LOL

I think the paragraph stands on it’s own. No?


32 posted on 04/25/2013 4:15:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: count-your-change

The Jews were less martyrs because they were picked on by virtue of an endemic quality? Hoh Boy!


33 posted on 04/25/2013 4:18:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: fso301

From Fiorello’s Sister: Gemma LaGuardia Gluck’s Story
Edited by Rochelle G. Saidel (Syracuse University Press, 2007), 152 pages.
Reviewed by Paul Kushner:

“Gemma describes both the brutal tortures by the Nazis and the courage and mutual support
of the inmates. She taught English to women from over 40 countries. Her description
of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, known as “Bible Students,” is particularly inspiring. At one
point the Gestapo had declared that any Bible Student who renounced her beliefs would
be given her freedom. Not one of them accepted the offer.”

Gemma was the sister of New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia.

He refused to use any influence he had to get her released.


34 posted on 04/25/2013 4:25:05 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Vendome

Your statement not mine.


35 posted on 04/25/2013 4:26:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Absolutely. None of my comments are directed at you. Rather the author.

It’s difficult to read the article in its fullness for this statements alone.


36 posted on 04/25/2013 4:29:51 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: count-your-change

Members of a cult who will perish in hell for denying the deity of Christ, were willing to go to hell much quicker by not renouncing their cultist loyalty to Satan.

Thus one of Satan’s minions, sent them to be tortured before sending them to hell.

I feel sorry for all who are willing to die, while following a lie that will never gain them salvation.

Sad, truly sad.


37 posted on 04/25/2013 4:43:21 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting to go home)
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To: Vendome
I contacted Mr. Berenbaum and asked him to clarify his comment made here, he did and I'm awaiting his permission to quote that reply in this forum. As soon as he does I will post it. It will either be in next few minutes or not at all.
38 posted on 04/25/2013 4:54:50 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Vendome

Remember...We have ways of making you read 1st.

Patience on the paragraph. I’ll be back directly.


39 posted on 04/25/2013 4:59:47 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

I keep trying to read the article but, I’m on my cell. I’m kinda getting the gist of the article but it’s hard on this tiny screen.

Ill read it on my big screen in a few minutes and get back to you.


40 posted on 04/25/2013 5:04:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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