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To: dartuser
If you can provide a cogent explanation that includes a denial of the three persons of the trinity in Jesus' baptism ... or their individual divinity (which is clearly demonstrated in the scriptures) ... then have at it ...

To be clear I'm not denying God, Christ, or the holy spirit. What I AM denying is a concept of the nature of the Godhead as defined by men 3 centuries after the death of Christ.

Scripture teaches that the father and son are members of the Godhead and that the holy spirit is the spirit of the father on earth. The holy spirit could also be the spirit of Christ since scripture also refers to the holy spirit as the spirit of Christ.

I hope that helps to clarify....if you read the article you can well see how long it took for the concept of the trinity to be developed.

166 posted on 04/16/2013 11:30:09 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Scripture teaches that the father and son are members of the Godhead and that the holy spirit is the spirit of the father on earth.

The scriptures teach that the Holy Spirit is ALSO a seperate and distinct member of the Godhead. Jesus baptism demonstrates that the HS is distinct from Jesus Christ and the upper room discourse (where Jesus said the Father would send the Holy Spirit) shows the HS is distinct from the Father.

177 posted on 04/16/2013 12:19:02 PM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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To: DouglasKC; dartuser
if you read the article you can well see how long it took for the concept of the trinity to be developed.

The author of the article is flat out wrong. Not only did Jesus teach it, the Apostles taught it, the New Testament is easily shown to teach it and many early church fathers taught as proved by their writings. For example:

Ignatius has some other very great and meaningful statements on the Deity of Christ. Ignatius of Antioch, on the Deity of Christ, calls Jesus God 9 times (2 of them are less clear) in 7 letters (ca. 110 AD) “Jesus Christ our God” Ephesians , Preface – “suffering by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God . . . “Ephesians 15:3, Ephesians 18:2, Romans Preface- 2 times, Romans 3:3, Trallians 7, and Smyrneans 10:1 are less clear. (because of textual variants). Ignatius speaks of Christ’s blood as “God's blood” Ephesians 1:1. He calls Jesus “God incarnate” Ephesians 7:2. In Jesus “God appeared in human form” Ephesians 19:3. Believing Protestants can appreciate these statements and see that the early church was firm in its belief in the Deity of Christ and the Trinity, and the evidence from Ignatius here around 110 AD, shows that the Deity of Christ and the Trinity did not suddenly appear in 325 AD, as many enemies of the faith claim, like Muslims and modern skeptics and cults and others who write popular books, such as the Divinci Code. http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/search?q=the+deity+of+the+holy+spirit

279 posted on 04/16/2013 9:15:36 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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