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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Ah, you are a rerun antiCatholic after all. Mind telling us your former screen name(s)?”

Is it anti-Catholic to accurately depict your theology and contrast it with the scripture?

Nice to see the confirmation as to your status. Mind stating your former screen name(s)?

“What horrifies me is the assumption that the dude in the mirror is saved simply because he declares it.”

Then you are horrified at the scripture, since I can get up and look at the mirror right now and say:

Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Only if you persist in that belief. At the hour of your death, that is what God will take and Judge you with. Remember the Beatitudes? Are they only suggestions? How about the 10 Commandments?

That puts God in a position of subservience to you.”

Wrong. YOU put God in subservience to you, because you declare that by your works you can force God’s hand to save you. Did you even read anything that I wrote? Did you even read the scripture? I told you, salvation is the work of God, from beginning to end. Nothing that I have is my own. All that I am, I have received from the Father. Without Him, we can have nothing, can be nothing, we can know nothing. To God is the eternal glory. Negative. The Calvinist world view is that God has selected individuals to save and the rest are damned. The Catholic worldview is that we must do as God instructs us or else we are damned. Ever read the parables in Matthew? They are most instructive.

Are you even capable of logically comprehending what I was writing? Did I say I disbelieved what Jesus Christ said? The “if” is for you who will either read what Christ said or not.

I get the impression that you don't believe that they apply to you at all. Your salvation is a done deal, right?

Do you follow the Great Commandments of Jesus?”

Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Mar 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (31) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

Looks like I do. No Roman bowing or scraping for scraps of grace here.

So, are you doing good for your own sake, or doing good because of gaining celestial brownie points, as you accuse Catholics of doing?

“Mind providing me a link? I’d like to see what source you are referring to.”

The link is to this thread. You should have read it before challenging me, after so much information has been provided disputing the very foundations of Roman Catholicism itself.

You are very generous in your proferring. The trouble with your stated position is that the Catholic position is the one that came down to us from the Apostles. You have still not stated how you know that you are saved.

I already explained it to you. Read the post again.

I did. It was no more fascinating the second time than the first. You may wish to switch to Christianity at some point.

130 posted on 04/14/2013 1:58:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Nice to see the confirmation as to your status. Mind stating your former screen name(s)?”


Nice seeing how, under pressure, you turn to accusations and claims of anti-Catholic bigotry, even when you don’t dispute the details of the statements given.

“Only if you persist in that belief. At the hour of your death, that is what God will take and Judge you with.”


Php 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I’ll be confident that what God has begun in me, He will finish. The faith that I have, as has been related over and over again, is not my own work, but God who revealed Himself to me, as He does all believers.

Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

“Remember the Beatitudes? Are they only suggestions? How about the 10 Commandments?”


We’ve been over this:

Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

What need I to fear, I who loves God, by the grace of God, and loves man, by the working of God? Faith and works, inevitably, must bow to grace. These works are a reality, but they are only the fruit of what God has begun. Salvation, therefore, is by grace alone, by faith alone, without the working of the law.

Rom_11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Either salvation is wrought entirely by God, or it is by the works of the man. I for one shall believe the words of Christ on this matter.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

“he Calvinist world view is that God has selected individuals to save and the rest are damned. The Catholic worldview is that we must do as God instructs us or else we are damned. Ever read the parables in Matthew? They are most instructive.”


Who cares about world views? I don’t care about the Catholic view, or of your confused views of grace. I don’t care that they merely exist. I care about Christ’s view. Make an argument, don’t just tell me you have an opinion. Use the scripture, be serious, show me how A leads to B. Defend yourself, don’t just attack me.

“Your salvation is a done deal, right?”


Yes, who can resist the will of God?

Rom 9:14-16 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. (15) For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. (16) So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

“So, are you doing good for your own sake, or doing good because of gaining celestial brownie points, as you accuse Catholics of doing?”


What do you think, thou prattler? How many times do I have to tell you that the fruits that I have are God’s, and not my own, until you believe me?

Php 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

“The trouble with your stated position is that the Catholic position is the one that came down to us from the Apostles. “


My stated position was a direct quotation from your Pope demonstrating that you have no tradition going back to the Apostles. You have a developing papal tradition that near the end of the 6th century still did not believe in the primacy of Rome.

Looks like you really don’t read anything I say.

“You may wish to switch to Christianity at some point.”


Says the guy who has not yet made one argument using the scripture.


133 posted on 04/14/2013 2:40:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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