“Ah, you are a rerun antiCatholic after all. Mind telling us your former screen name(s)?”
Is it anti-Catholic to accurately depict your theology and contrast it with the scripture?
“What horrifies me is the assumption that the dude in the mirror is saved simply because he declares it.”
Then you are horrified at the scripture, since I can get up and look at the mirror right now and say:
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Either salvation is a free gift from God, or it is not. You can’t have it both ways. You poor fellow, you think that you can block the way to salvation. Thank God the only way to heaven is through Christ Himself, and not through MarkBsnr or the carnal ordinances of his religion.
“That puts God in a position of subservience to you.”
Wrong. YOU put God in subservience to you, because you declare that by your works you can force God’s hand to save you. Did you even read anything that I wrote? Did you even read the scripture? I told you, salvation is the work of God, from beginning to end. Nothing that I have is my own. All that I am, I have received from the Father. Without Him, we can have nothing, can be nothing, we can know nothing. To God is the eternal glory.
Joh 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. (65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
“If? Now we are quibbling and running around trying to mask the shifting sands of our position?”
Are you even capable of logically comprehending what I was writing? Did I say I disbelieved what Jesus Christ said? The “if” is for you who will either read what Christ said or not.
“Do you follow the Great Commandments of Jesus?”
Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Mar 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (31) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Looks like I do. No Roman bowing or scraping for scraps of grace here.
“Sure.”
So you’re basically arguing that the Church has indeed embraced Pelagianism in rejecting Augustine’s doctrine. You did not provide for me any evidence, however, that Augustine’s doctrine was considered heresy by the church.
“Mind providing me a link? I’d like to see what source you are referring to.”
The link is to this thread. You should have read it before challenging me, after so much information has been provided disputing the very foundations of Roman Catholicism itself.
“Yeah? You count yourself in that group? Why?”-
I already explained it to you. Read the post again.
Is it anti-Catholic to accurately depict your theology and contrast it with the scripture?
Nice to see the confirmation as to your status. Mind stating your former screen name(s)?
“What horrifies me is the assumption that the dude in the mirror is saved simply because he declares it.”
Then you are horrified at the scripture, since I can get up and look at the mirror right now and say:
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Only if you persist in that belief. At the hour of your death, that is what God will take and Judge you with. Remember the Beatitudes? Are they only suggestions? How about the 10 Commandments?
That puts God in a position of subservience to you.”
Wrong. YOU put God in subservience to you, because you declare that by your works you can force God’s hand to save you. Did you even read anything that I wrote? Did you even read the scripture? I told you, salvation is the work of God, from beginning to end. Nothing that I have is my own. All that I am, I have received from the Father. Without Him, we can have nothing, can be nothing, we can know nothing. To God is the eternal glory. Negative. The Calvinist world view is that God has selected individuals to save and the rest are damned. The Catholic worldview is that we must do as God instructs us or else we are damned. Ever read the parables in Matthew? They are most instructive.
Are you even capable of logically comprehending what I was writing? Did I say I disbelieved what Jesus Christ said? The “if” is for you who will either read what Christ said or not.
I get the impression that you don't believe that they apply to you at all. Your salvation is a done deal, right?
Do you follow the Great Commandments of Jesus?”
Joh 6:28-29 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? (29) Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Mar 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. (31) And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Looks like I do. No Roman bowing or scraping for scraps of grace here.
So, are you doing good for your own sake, or doing good because of gaining celestial brownie points, as you accuse Catholics of doing?
“Mind providing me a link? I’d like to see what source you are referring to.”
The link is to this thread. You should have read it before challenging me, after so much information has been provided disputing the very foundations of Roman Catholicism itself.
You are very generous in your proferring. The trouble with your stated position is that the Catholic position is the one that came down to us from the Apostles. You have still not stated how you know that you are saved.
I already explained it to you. Read the post again.
I did. It was no more fascinating the second time than the first. You may wish to switch to Christianity at some point.