Posted on 04/12/2013 10:41:51 AM PDT by NYer
If we put the clues together, can we figure out precisely when Jesus died? Yes, we can!
We recently celebrated Good Friday and Easter, the annual celebrations of Jesus' death and resurrection.
We all know that this happened in Jerusalem in the first century.
That separates Jesus from mythical pagan deities, who were supposed to live in places or times that none could specify.
Just how specific can we be with the death of Jesus?
Can we determine the exact day?
We can.
And here's how . . .
The gospels indicate that Jesus was crucified at the instigation of the first century high priest named Caiaphas (Matthew 26:3-4, John 11:49-53).
We know from other sources that he served as high priest from A.D. 18 to 36, so that puts Jesus' death in that time frame.
But we can get more specific. Much more.
(Excerpt) Read more at ncregister.com ...
In case it wasn’t quite clear (and from re-reading, it probabgly wasn’t), I was agreeing with you and trying to add to the case. I replied to your post, but put both you and the person you were addressing in the “To” block. Then I sort of forgot I did that and mostly addressed him. Sorry about that.
The first and last day of Passover/Unleavened Bread were days when no work was done (i.e. Sabbath), also there was the weekly Sabbath.
Uh, yeah... that’s entirely true, and entirely beside the point. We’re discussing the Sanhedrin preparing for the passover.
This is the insanity of strict sola scriptura revealed: the bible wasn’t written with a glossary; the very meaning of words comes from outside the bible. You want to decide that the Sabbath means something other than the seventh day of the week, so you just assert it does. And every little detail becomes a bone of exhaustive contention.
Except...Jesus, himself, stated, "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." (Matthew 12:40) You can't get three days AND three nights out of two nights and a day .
In Matthew 16:4, Jesus says, "A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Jesus then left them and went away.". So, what is the sign of Jonah? See Jonah 1:17, "Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."
If Jesus had only said "three days", I might agree with this proposed use of a Jewish "idiom", but Jesus specifically said three days AND three nights. I choose to believe Jesus rather than the traditions of men.
“and the Passover was on the day of preparation.”
Verga, think about your statement. That’s like saying New Year’s Day is on New Year’s Eve. By simple definition, it cannot be the day before itself. Passover is a “Special Sabbath,” just as described in John19: 31 “Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a Special Sabbath.”
This “Special Sabbath” should be differentiated from the “Regular Sabbath” that precedes the first day of the week.
I am not pointing these things out to prove anyone wrong as the bottom line is that days and weeks really do not matter.
My point is that we need to seek greater understanding of Jesus’s message and stop being constricted to our own legalistic interpretation in order to create our ego identity which we must diminish in the dying daily process in order to know thy Father. There is a greater message in Jesus’s words. Just as He described in Matthew 13 in the parable of the “tares in the wheat,” mankind are asleep and need to awaken in order to grow for the harvest.
To Old & Tired from Tired & Retired..... (we must be related!!)
“Can someone tell me why I should concern myself with this sort of stuff when our Church provides us with a perfectly good liturgical calendar that will ensure we commemorate all the significant Biblical history?”
We seek understanding in order to gain greater understanding into Jesus’ teachings. My point in discussing this topic is merely to help others realize that holding onto rigid legalistic interpretation is exactly what the Pharisees were doing to Jesus when He healed on the Sabbath.
When we come to an intersection, we stop for the stop sign not out of fear of breaking the law and receiving a citation of wrongdoing, but out of Love for ourselves and others with whom we might injure if we do not follow the rule. The power or authority is not in the words on the sign, but in the purpose with which the sign was placed there. So it is with the words in the Bible.
My bad
Luke 24:6-8 6 He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7 ‘The Son of Man must be delivered over to the hands of sinners, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.’ ” 8 Then they remembered his words.
On the third day, not three days and three nights.
Matthew 26:61 and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.'" Again not three days and three nights.
1 Corinthians 15:4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, Again third day not third day and night.
That is 4 literal verses right off the top of my head as opposed to one idiomnatic verse.
Once agaion your saying it with out proof doesn’t make it so.
You have not supplied documentation.
I now understand Ron White’s statement that you can’t fix certain attributes.
Please explain how Jesus could be crucified on Wednesday (and placed in the tomb before sundown) and yet Sunday on the road to Emmaus was “the third day since these things had happoened.” (Luke 24:21)
An idiom is not “traditions of mean.” It is a figure of speach. It is the meaning of that combination of words.
I basically agree with all your comments, except the notion of how to know when the Passover is. It is the 'sun' that marks the date, 'spring equinox', year in year out, the time to count when the Passover feast takes place. 15 days after the spring equinox begins the Passover. The moon is fickle and not reliable for calculating events that are fixed year in and year out.
The practice of the goddess Ishtar and fertility rites of quick like a bunny and eggs celebrated at the Spring equinox did not begin with the death of Christ. Some people took others religious practices and folded them what they claim to be Christian.... Well there is not one hint or shred of historical evidence that these practices were ever intended to be practiced by the followers of Christ.
I once asked a modern day prophet what Christians were doing celebrating 'Easter', when in fact the word was never Written, but the translators got fast and loose with the word Passover. He told me it was for 'the children', they like to hunt Easter eggs.
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I don't "want to decide" anything. It is a fact that in the Bible there are Sabbaths (7th day of the week), High Sabbaths (around Passover, Pentecost, Trumpets, Yom Kippur and Tabernacles) and Sabbath Years (7th year in agricultural cycle).
I never claimed as a fact that Jesus was crucified on a day other than Friday, but it certainly is a possibility!
“Sabbath” is related to “seven.” There is no basis in Judaism or ancient Christianity for calling the seven High Days, “sabbaths.” (One of them... only one, and NOT the Passover one... “shall be unto you as a Sabbath,” but this is a simile (or metaphor, depending how it’s translated), not a definition.)
The “Sabbath which was a High Day” refers to the fact that the Sabbath occurred on the same day as a High Day, not that it was a High Sabbath instead of a weekly Sabbath.
Example....Exod 12:18 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
Groups like the Kairites keep track of the correct days for the "official" calendar celebrations. shabbot shalom
Correct! Here's the three days and three nights.
Jonah 1:17
Now the Lord provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
OK, there's Jonah now...
Matthew 12
38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”
39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.
Now read Matthew 13
13 That same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the lake. 2 Such large crowds gathered around him that he got into a boat and sat in it, while all the people stood on the shore. 3 Then he told them many things in parables, saying:
That same day He went to the lake!
Keep reading and you'll arive at...
Matthew 16 The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.
2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
Same scenario (seeking a sign) and nearly the same response from Yeshua but NO three days and three nights. That's because there are three days and three nights between these two statements! (Matt. 12:40 and Matt. 16:4).
And another link can be found in Luke 8...
22 One day Jesus said to his disciples, “Let us go over to the other side of the lake.” So they got into a boat and set out. 23 As they sailed, he fell asleep. A squall came down on the lake, so that the boat was being swamped, and they were in great danger.
24 The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Master, Master, we’re going to drown!” He got up and rebuked the wind and the raging waters; the storm subsided, and all was calm. 25 “Where is your faith?” he asked his disciples.
Asleep in the boat in a storm, just like Jonah! The 'Heart of the Earth' is the region of Galilee.
Which brings us to the question, 'What was the sign of the prophet Jonah?' Glad you asked!
2 Kings 14:25
He was the one who restored the boundaries of Israel from Lebo Hamath to the Dead Sea, in accordance with the word of the Lord, the God of Israel, spoken through his servant Jonah son of Amittai, the prophet from Gath Hepher.
Ah, the restored boundaries of Israel! 1967.
And Yeshua was crucified in the Hebrew year 3790 (30 C.E.). Which just happens to be the middle of a week, 'It is finished'! See: Daniel 9:27 I'll dig that file out tomorrow.
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