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To: JAKraig
"Any time I see writing by an ex-Mormon I know that that is a “disaffected” Mormon, someone who has an ax to grind. "

I agree. And as a corollary...

Any time I see writing by a Mormon I know that that is a “deluded” cult member, someone who has an ax to grind. Someone who has traded the objective knowledge and propositional truth of the Holy Scriptures, for personal experience, apart from facts, logic, or evidence. Yet they believe...

... They believe a civilization covered Meso-America from sea to shining see - full of vast metal works and millions of people and mythical creatures like cureloms. Despite there being no buildings, no foundations, no rusting metal, no curelom bones, etc. Why? They have feelings!

... They believe Christ went on Spring Break to Meso-America to preach to indians - notifying them that they were really Jewish. Despite what we now know about genetic markers, they cling to this false belief. Why? They have feelings!

... They believe something created and non-eternal, can become God. Despite their ignorance of logic leaving them in the position of ignoring God's character as omnipotent (all powerful), and instead accepting the falsehood of lots of gods, of whom none are omnipotent. Still they believe. Why? They have feelings!

... They believe their God and Goddess breed in the heavens, rutting continually to produce an onslaught of spirit children to populate new worlds. Even worse, they have accepted that they have the potential to aspire to godhood, continually bedding goddesses and ruling over a planet of their own. Despite all the Bible teaches about the nature of God, it is swept aside to make Him into a creature. Why? They have feelings!

And then they show up to criticize former mormons who have seen the silliness of it all and left the morg. Why? These escaped mormons are to them as the little boy who shouted, "the king has no clothes!"

Rather than attacking them, perhaps mormons here on FR will kindly provide FACTS, EVIDENCE, or LOGIC to support any of their wild claims. I've personally asked for almost 10 years and have yet to see a single fact that supports mormonism. I've yet to see any logic of any position mormons hold. I've yet to see any evidence to support any mormon belief. Until that happens, they remain deluded, wearing secret underwear, caught in a prideful effort to prove their own worthiness before God, instead of coming to Him and accepting His Gospel of Grace.

47 posted on 04/10/2013 1:10:01 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Any time I see writing by a Mormon I know that that is a “deluded” cult member, someone who has an ax to grind. Someone who has traded the objective knowledge and propositional truth of the Holy Scriptures, for personal experience, apart from facts, logic, or evidence. Yet they believe...

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Forgive me for writing so late, I wish I could spend more time at this but unfortunately have things to do in life beside have fun in these discussions.

You snidely say “They have feelings”. Isn’t that all any of us have, isn’t that what faith is after all. If you start looking for facts then you are need to look somewhere besides Christendom. Most religions are not about facts, evidence or even logic.

... They believe a civilization covered Meso-America from sea to shining see - full of vast metal works and millions of people and mythical creatures like cureloms. Despite there being no buildings, no foundations, no rusting metal, no curelom bones, etc. Why?

Why isn’t there a Noah’s ark. Which is more fantastic, a worldwide flood or a book of gold plates? I’ll bet it was pretty tough getting all the animals on earth in that boat.

What evidence do you have of Christ raising Lazarus? The Bible? Sure that’s cute, the Catholic Church over 1500 years ago decided what would be in the Holy Bible and burned everything else they could get their hands on. The reality is that the Mormons have a number of witnesses of whom there are birth certificates and death certificates and grave yards with them in it that swear they saw the plates and angels. I’m not saying that makes it so but it certainly qualifies as logical deduction to facts.

They believe something created and non-eternal, can become God. Despite their ignorance of logic leaving them in the position of ignoring God’s character as omnipotent (all powerful), and instead accepting the falsehood of lots of gods, of whom none are omnipotent. Still they believe. Why? They have feelings! . . . .

You misstate what they believe and I suspect you know exactly what you are doing. They do not believe that anything created and non-eternal can become God. They believe all life is eternal in some form. They believe that the children of God can become heirs with Christ of all His Father has. If you have everything that God has then you must need be by definition “god”! The Apostles taught this same doctrine.

... They believe their God and Goddess breed in the heavens, rutting continually to produce an onslaught of spirit children to populate new worlds. Even worse, they have accepted that they have the potential to aspire to godhood, continually bedding goddesses and ruling over a planet of their own. Despite all the Bible teaches about the nature of God, it is swept aside to make Him into a creature. Why? They have feelings!

What rudeness you ascribe to God who is the Father of us all. Just how again was Jesus “created” in mortality? You believe that it was some rutting instinct? God is our Father, that is the title He uses, He does not call Himself our Creator but our Father. Fatherhood implies many things, I see nothing ugly in those things.

I’m not sure I criticized anybody, much less any ex-Mormons. Saying someone has an ax to grind is not a criticism just an expression of an attribute.

I don’t have anything against Mormons, I do however have a thin skin when people who live in glass houses start throwing stones.

Christianity is a religion of faith, not facts. Christianity is a religion of feelings, not facts.

Christianity is a religion of Christ, Christ commanded us to love all men, even Mormons, even Catholics and even Protestants. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young are part of all men and so are those that come after them. When you question their beliefs and motives you are accusing them of evil. I’ve met a lot of Mormons, I haven’t met the evil ones yet.


70 posted on 04/10/2013 9:10:11 PM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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