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To: vladimir998
"In Greek, “assembly” is “ekklesia”.

In Latin, “assembly” is “ecclesia”.

Rome didn’t change anything there."

I am aware of the Greek term, and evidently you missed the point here... There is no such word as "Church", especially Church with a capital "C", the way Rome has laid claim to the term. Jesus made no reference to an organization on earth, but rather was indicating His "assembly" of believers from all over the world gathering in small "assemblies" in homes, shops, underground.

Rome is guilty of morphing the concept, the term, the intent into an excuse to control its sheeple and guilt them into behaving as it directs. None of this is biblical, but at least part of it arises from the underlying aberration of turning the common word "assembly" into the specific term "Church".

68 posted on 04/09/2013 8:43:42 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
" Jesus made no reference to an organization on earth, but rather was indicating His "assembly" of believers from all over the world gathering in small "assemblies" in homes, shops, underground."

The word ekklesia was a word that had been ingrained in the Greek culture for at least 400 years before Jesus used it. To the Greels the ekklesia was not some loose grouping, but rather a formal assembly whose purpose it was to make the most significant decisions for a city-state. The ekklesia was formed only of makes over the age of 20 who had actually fought in defense of the city-state. It was structured, hierarchical and obligatory. Those failing to assemble when called (the root of the word) were subject to receiving public beatings. Those arriving late would be struck with whips dipped in paint so that they would wear their shame (stripes). The ekklesia were the only ones who could impose the death penalty, declare war or remove and try high civil officials.

It is hard to believe that the Word of God would not know the meaning of this word.

Peace be with you

69 posted on 04/09/2013 8:55:02 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Dutchboy88

You wrote:

“I am aware of the Greek term, and evidently you missed the point here... There is no such word as “Church”, especially Church with a capital “C”, the way Rome has laid claim to the term.”

I think you missed the point. “Rome”, as you put it, historically doesn’t use the word “Church”. It uses the word “ecclesia”. “Church” is an English word derived from the Greek word “kyriakos” which means “of the Lord” (i.e. belonging to the Lord).

“Jesus made no reference to an organization on earth,”

Actually He did, but not in your juandiced Protestant anti-Catholic way of talking about it. He gave authority to someone and something. That shows there had to be an organization, an institution.

“but rather was indicating His “assembly” of believers from all over the world gathering in small “assemblies” in homes, shops, underground.”

And that assembly is the Church, and that assembly is an organization and an institution.


85 posted on 04/09/2013 2:39:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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