You wrote:
“You are right, it was from McCarthy, big deal.”
The deal is that you didn’t bother to get it right. It wasn’t Church teaching. It was McCarthy.
“Here, read it from the horses mouth.”
It isn’t from Trent. Sheesh!
“Just because someone you don’t like quotes it, doesn’t make it untrue.”
It was not a quote, it was not a quote from Trent, it wasn’t from Vatican II. Beginning to get the picture?
“Catholics argue like Mormons, denying their own teachings.”
I have never denied any Catholic teaching. I deny your interpretation - the one you deny giving. Apparently you’re the one denying things like a Mormon.
“If you want, when you die you can go directly into the arms of Jesus.”
I do want that, and I pursue that, but rather imperfectly like most mortals. And in the end, it will be Jesus who will decide if I need purgation or not.
“Christians don’t have to endure anything at death.”
That’s not what some other Protestants believe. Ever read CS Lewis’ Screwtape Letters? Lewis, a Protestant, very clearly believed in Purgatory. Lewis wrote about a “process by which the work of redemption continues, and first perhaps begins to be noticeable after death”.
“New sins can be INSTANTLY forgiven by going to Jesus in prayer and repentance.”
Here again we see you clearly do not understand Christian theology. Christ already forgave all sins. Remember, “It is finished”. The issue is whether or not that forgiveness, which has already happened, has been applied to us yet. That’s what we ask for when we come to Jesus.
“If you wish to hold on to sins (endure) until you can confess formally to a man in holy garments, that is your choice.”
The “man in holy garments” merely does what St. Paul did in 2 Corinthians 2:10 as old Bibles word it: “To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the PERSON OF CHRIST”.
“If you wish to go through purgatory, maybe that is possible if you want it bad enough.”
Well, that’s a bizarre comment. You actually believe a person can create a state of purgation after death which you had previously denied existed merely because he wants “it bad enough”? Either Purgatory exists or it doesn’t - and it does. Here we see the usual relativism of Protestantism.
“My best to you.”
And the best to you - and that includes Purgatory if you need it. Cleansing with grace is a gift from God.
If you can't find it in the link I gave you (Council of Trent: Catechism for Parish Priests) then OK. It's in there, from Catholic tradition.
You wanted a better source, I gave it to you.
Getting a bit personal, aren't you?You wrote:
“I did notice you gave references, but did not quote the Scriptures.”
Does that change the truth of scripture? You do realize your excuse makes you look rather small, right?
LOL, you posted NO truth of scripture, just numbers. I'm not going to look them up as I said, if you want to get a point across with scripture, do it with scripture, not just references.
Sorry, the quotes you will find in Catholic doctrine are NOT my interpretation, just words quoted which you don't wish to look at in Catholic context.
I gave you the link, I could copy and paste the words for you but you deny they exist apparently because they were quoted by someone you don't like.
Most of your post makes no sense re what I said, it seems to have been twisted quite a bit in order to put words in my mouth. It just goes around and around in an attempt to prove purgatory.
I'm sorry to get you so angry.
The issue is whether or not that forgiveness, which has already happened, has been applied to us yet. That’s what we ask for when we come to Jesus.Well are you ready to come to Jesus?
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you--Matt 7:7Jesus will take you just as you are.
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come in to him, and will eat with him, and he with me.--Rev 3:20
You can be cleansed by the grace of God.
Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.--Matt 5:48.