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To: markomalley

When the Apostles then wash the feet of others in this way, it does not mean that the others have to be ordainable, that is, men. This is not an ordination rite.

It is a traditional and historical rite though. And the Apostles WERE all men, don’t you agree? So Pope Francis is indeed breaking with tradition. Then, as celibacy of priests is a tradition and a historical rite, break with that also. No more celibate priests. I guess you get to choose which traditions you want to break with and which you don’t, eh? The road to relativism is a slippery slope.


5 posted on 03/31/2013 5:59:13 AM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47
It is a traditional and historical rite though. And the Apostles WERE all men, don’t you agree? So Pope Francis is indeed breaking with tradition. Then, as celibacy of priests is a tradition and a historical rite, break with that also. No more celibate priests. I guess you get to choose which traditions you want to break with and which you don’t, eh? The road to relativism is a slippery slope.

Interesting that traditions and rites have become more important than carrying the Word and practicing the Great Commandments. What women were at the Last Supper? Should women be allowed to take Communion? Why is celibacy so important? The staying single/celibate part was a single man's opinion rather than a message borne by the Holy Spirit and he made it clear that it was not God's Word, but his own opinion. Teachers were to be good and successful family men (should that even be in the Bible if it causes a problem with tradition?) so they could help others be the same, but someone decided that it would be more "Christ-Like" (hubris anyone?) to stay single/celibate. Do you think that particular tradition might have anything to do with the homosexual/pedophile scandals the Church has gone through? Jesus told us what He thought about traditions when he told us the Sabbath was for us and there was no incongruity in the man doing the "work" of carrying his pallet after being made whole. He also told us what He had done to the commandments when he told us about the Great Commandments - they fulfilled the intent of the Old Covenant Law. The new Pope is practicing what he preaches, humble love - what a sin...

8 posted on 03/31/2013 6:12:45 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: flaglady47
It is a traditional and historical rite though.

The insertion of foot-washing during the Maundy Thursday Mass was an innovation by Pope Pius XII in 1955.

And the Apostles WERE all men, don’t you agree?

Of course, but did Jesus not command the apostles to go out and wash the feet of others (implying the lowest of the low?)

So Pope Francis is indeed breaking with tradition.

What tradition? The washing of lay peoples' feet rather than clerics?

You want to talk about tradition, what about the old tradition of sovereigns washing the feet of the poor?

Then, as celibacy of priests is a tradition and a historical rite, break with that also.

Non-sequitur. First, what does that have to do with this right? Second, what about Eastern Catholic priests? Third, what about former protestant clergy who have been ordained? (Former Anglicans primarily)? The former is hardly an innovation. The latter was not implemented by +Francis.

I guess you get to choose which traditions you want to break with and which you don’t, eh?

Can. 331 The bishop of the Roman Church, in whom continues the office given by the Lord uniquely to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, is the head of the college of bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the pastor of the universal Church on earth. By virtue of his office he possesses supreme, full, immediate, and universal ordinary power in the Church, which he is always able to exercise freely.

You tell me.

9 posted on 03/31/2013 6:23:45 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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