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To: mnehring
Just the opposite really. The more I've been reading it, Vatican II is more open while traditionalists were more elitists (such as calling for a return to the Latin mass and condemning any deviance from that mass).

Elitist? That is odd. In our parish (very untraditional Vatican II church) the priest likes to change the words to the prayers to things he thinks are "relevant," as I am sure he feels the Spirit moves him. And does that mean that we get to change our responses if we feel similarly moved? Nope, anything but. We still have to say what we are told to say, but he can change his parts. Why? Because he is the priest. That is elitism. When he says things like "Happy are we who are called to this loving banquet of the Lord" just try saying "Oh, God, thank you for giving me this opportunity to partake of this beautiful meal of love and peace in your house of worship that we now stand in which doesn't expect us to be sectarian in any way before each other, who are really more than just friends and neighbors but really connected by a deep abiding love in your person" and find out how you are different than the clergy. That, my friend, is the very spirit and definition of elitism.

Doing things as demonstrated by tradition protects all of us from thinking we are God's oracle for deciding what others get to say. When we celebrate the Mass the way the Church has approved for generations we participate in something bigger than us. Tradition is the cure for elitism.

28 posted on 03/29/2013 9:21:58 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: cothrige
Tradition is the cure for elitism.

In the past I would have agreed but I'm seeing, especially lately, that it has become its own elitism. Look at the link I posted several posts up. This is a person most here respect but has gone off the deep end criticizing everything this new Pope does, even the way he genuflects.

29 posted on 03/29/2013 9:25:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: cothrige
"Oh, God, thank you for giving me this opportunity to partake of this beautiful meal of love and peace in your house of worship that we now stand in which doesn't expect us to be sectarian in any way before each other, who are really more than just friends and neighbors but really connected by a deep abiding love in your person"

LOL -- are you serious?

You might as well be going to some non-aligned protestant offshoot church with a santuary in a shopping mall if your priest has the latitude to pull this kind of shenanigan.

32 posted on 03/29/2013 9:32:51 PM PDT by Yardstick
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