[[and based on our conversations what I am getting is that you are demanding God do certain things for you]]
you are msitaken- I never demanded that- The whole premise of this conversation has to do with whether there has been discontinuity of the sueprnatural gifts that hte apostles had or not- If there has not, then surely we woudl be seeing TRUE SUPERNATURAL Miracles that defy natural laws beign performed still today- IF there has, then how much? Is God weakening? Or Is He Withholding soem of the gifts, or withholding part of the full power of the gifts?
[[Sorry it does not work that way, God is not a Genie]]
Never said He was a genie, nor that He acts like one, nor that that was how He works- please don’t put words in my mouth- seems everyoen discussing htis matter wants to speak for me-
[[I am sorry you are suffering, maybe you should just listen......be still and be with God whatever the answer is.]]
I’ not worried about me or my suffering- what is is- and that is that- God has ordained it- and that is that-
[[Sorry brother, God can and is willing to heal everyone with a breath but He does not heal everyone with a breath and there are reasons which I can not answer why.]]
I fully understand that, but that is not what the conversation was about, it was abotu whether or Not God is still performing TRUE sueprnatural miracles which defy the laws of nature today- I only explained my health situation to you to make the point that IF supernatural healings were beign doen today, my condition woudl be healed or at least a few of ht5e many 100’s of 1000’s of peopel in the same condition as mine woudl at least be healed sueprnaturally one woudl think- but that is not happening- the age of supernatural healings is over- there isn’t a healer today who could perform the healing through God simply because God is no logner doing such miraculous supernatural healings today- He however IS doing marvelous and wonderful healings that work within nature’s laws- but again these are NOT the same sueprnatural miracles that defied natural laws that He did htrough His apostles and Christ and prohpets etc-
I wish everyoen woudl stop sayign htigns for me- and just stick to the points beign broguht up- Are sueprnatural miracles which violate natural laws beign doen today? I think the evidnece is pretty clear that their has been a discontinuation of them whether God specifically said He woudl discontinue them or not- IF as soem claim they must still be happenign today simpyl becazuse God didn’t specifically state they woudl cease- then where is the evidnece that these sueprnatural miracles which vioalte natural laws are stiull occuring? I’m not askign God to do a performance for me- I’m askign for simpel evidnece that hte age of sueprnatural miracles which defy natural laws is stil alive and well today- I haven’t seen many ax heads floating on water lately
I am so sorry.
I have given you evidence, and you for reasons only known to you have decided not to accept it or dismissed it as “might have happened anyway”.
My heart weeps for you.
Good night, there is nothing I can say, nothing that I can show you will convince you otherwise,
Brother, live your life........I will live mine.
You are still in the hands of the Almighty God, I wish you were there in fullness but that dear brother is your choice.
You assert that MIRACLES do NOT occur today - that is your point.
Mine is "Where's the SCRIPTURE?" that ends them.
Ok, catching up with this thread has taken a bit of time...but I think I'm understanding you rightly in that Christ’s miracles were for a purpose and time...and I agree with that.
However, I do think that Miracles can occur today, but I am most assuredly critical of the ‘name it claim it healers’ and their services we see today, which creates allot of unnecessary emotional hype...especially if they do so in their presentation.
There are people who have been healed today...didn't ask for it... and keep it to themselves and God pretty much. Jesus knew mens hearts for what they are and He knows them still today.
When He heals, why broadcast it as if it's showtime in Las Vegas?.... And what are you going to say to the throngs who walk away not healed?....we know how that goes... they suffer terribly emotionally and psychologically trying to work up “enough faith” to get their healing...as if it's their fault....or God doesn't care enough for them. It's a tragedy that should not be, and God does not work in that manner IMO.
But can He heal, certainly, or He cannot be God...but
There is something to also say about those in third world countries, so often caught up in spiritualism of the dark side. Many third world people are highly emotional to begin with, unlike the constraints our society requires for the most part. So they might possibly have a very emotional and striking conversion and healing might come with it.
However, just as the flamboyant so called healers in our country, it did not take long for those “power seekers” in those countries to “get the spirit” to perform on their stages...and it has taken off there as well. In fact in Haiti and some of the countries they actually combine Christianity with their Voo-doo mumbo jumbo...and it's perfectly acceptable and in fact encouraged.
I guess my point is...Yes, God heals, but I do not see His working in the way so many of these charlatan's present themselves, nor the healings they profess occur....
.....we do have after all, an enemy who counterfeits everything of Christ he can possibly do.