Posted on 03/23/2013 4:02:29 PM PDT by Colofornian
SNIP
The position that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church upon the face of the earth is fundamental. Perhaps it would be more convenient and palatable and popular if we were to avoid it; nevertheless, we are under a sacred obligation and a sacred trust to hold to it. It is not merely an admission; it is a positive declaration. It is so fundamental that we cannot yield on this point.
Now to those who think us uncharitable, we say that it was not devised by us; it was declared by Him, for he gave commandments to the early brethren, and I quote:
to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually. (D&C 1:30.)
SNIP I bear witness that he is a prophet of God. I have a witness that Jesus is the Christ. He lives. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true and living church upon the face of this earth, of which I bear witness in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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He’s talking about Luther; trying to drag a red herring across thr trail.
Where's the GREAT REWARD; Norm???
Yeah; that what YOUR church's have taught YOU!!!
But the really imPORTant stuff got tossed out of the bible by evil men; only to be RESTORED thru the beloved Joseph Smith!
--MormonDude(HE will do the IMPORTANT judging!!!)
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
Yup; it sure IS a heresy from long ago!
Genesis 3:5
For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.
16, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 714, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 1520, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 2125, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 2627, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 2839, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 4047, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 4850, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 5157, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 5866, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal livesto bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
But FACTS are pesky things; bullying and pushing their way, no matter WHAT 'opinions' are formed to explain them.
Nice stuff that was delievered to the JEWS: the Chosen People.
What should folks who were NOT included in the contract be held to?
...and then he vanishes from the thread; only popping up in another one a few days later; trying to influence SOMEone that has not heard the TRUTH and understood it.
That’s the meaning of the ‘choseness’ of the Children Of Israel. God gave His laws to Adam and Noah (to all mankind) and they came to rest on Noah’s son Shem, who is known as “Melchizidek”. He transferred the primary teaching responsibility to Abraham. Moses the received special Revelation from God Himself and a very specific source of authority was established - for all mankind.
That historical exchange shows that or a deliberate misrepresentation (lie) in regards to Tertullian.
OK, so?
The Catholic Church likewise claims to be the only true church. The various Protestant sects likewise make claims that the other sects (and Catholicism in particular) are in error.
It's one thing to point out error in someone else's beliefs -- like Jesus did when He was talking to the Sadducees (Matthew 22:23). He told them:
29 Jesus replied, You are IN ERROR because you DO NOT KNOW THE SCRIPTURES OR THE POWER OF GOD<.b>. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the deadhave you not read what God said to you, 32 I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is not the God of the dead but of the living. 33 When the crowds heard this, they were astonished at his teaching. (Matt. 22:29-33)
It's another thing to label specific others as the "children of the devil" -- as Jesus did the Pharisees:
John 8:44,47: You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your fathers desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies
The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.
If the Mormons had wanted to, they could have limited their comments to how others were in error.
But actually, once they adopted Joseph Smith's line of 100% apostasy, 100% restoration -- and he was God's personal from-scratch restorer -- they couldn't be satisfied with merely "reforming" the church.
Martin Luther didn't try to start a separate church. Hence, it's called the "reformation" -- not "restoration."
(The Mormons simply have gone all out in trying to "devilize" Christians...see below the asterisks for documentation of this)
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Who are the Christians, and what is Christianity, per Mormonism?
An 'Interview' Across the Generations with the mouthpieces of the Mormon god, the Lds 'prophets' and 'apostles':
Questions re: What is the Devil's role and association with the Christian church per Mormonism?
Q. Who inspires Christians?
A. Joseph Smith: "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
* Joseph Smith, Jr.:
all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels. (The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60).
Q. Where did Christianity -- whatever its form between 100 & 200 AD -->19th century -- originate?
A. Lds "apostle"-turned-"prophet" John Taylor, who was with Joseph Smith when Smith died: Christianity was "hatched in hell" (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, page 176)...
* Lds "prophet" Brigham Young: Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and then kicked on to the earth. (Journal of Discourses 6:176).
* Taylor: Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century," (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.167);
Q. Who is classified as part of the "church of the devil" according to the Book of Mormon?
A. BYU professor Kent B. Jackson: "Since whoever does not belong to 'the church of the Lamb of God' belongs to 'the church of the devil,' as Nephi announced then all systems of worship outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be classified as 'the church of the devil' by Nephi's definition (Kent B. Jackson, "Watch and Remember" etc. from publication By Study and Also by Faith: Essays in Honor of Hugh W. Nibley on the Occasion of His Eightieth Birthday, 3/27/90, vol. 1, p. 87, citing 1 Nephi 14:9-10 from the Book of Mormon)
Q. What is the church of the devil in our day?
A. Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power?.... It is ALL of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel....It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts. It is Germany under Hitler, Russia under Stalin, and Italy under Mussolini." (The Millennial Messiah, pp. 54-55.)
* Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is every church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)
Q. This last comment of yours? Is that still taught by the official Mormon church in its official curricula in official Institute classes to college students?
Q. So you're saying that...
A.McConkie: "...the great apostate church as the anti-christ...This great antichrist...is the church of the devil." (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p.40)
Who are the Christians, and what is Christianity, per Mormonism?
An 'Interview' Across the Generations with the mouthpieces of the Mormon god, the Lds 'prophets' and 'apostles':
Questions Re: How is Christ's church described as it pertains to Mormons and Christians. Questions of legitimacy and authority.
Q. While we all know not every member of a Christian church is a true Christian, what difference is there between Christians in Christian churches and Mormons who reference themselves as 'Christians?'
A. Brigham Young: "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
Q: Do LDS considers themselves one legitimate church among many?
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "Mormonism is Christianity; Christianity is Mormonism; they are one and the same, and they are not to be distinguished from each other in the minutest detail ...Mormons are true Christians; their worship is the pure, unadulterated Christianity authored by Christ and accepted by Peter, James, and John and all the ancient saints." (Mormon Doctrine, p. 513).
Q: Does that mean if all Mormons are Christians then all Christians are Mormons. Is that right?
A: (You weren't listening...I 'just' answered that:) Lds "prophet" Brigham Young: "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are NOT Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity." (Journal of Discourses 10:230.) Q. Is the Mormon church the only true church then? Are all the other ones false?
A. Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: "This [the LDS] Church...is the ONLY only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" (Doctrine and Covenants 1:30).
* Lds "prophet" Ezra Taft Benson, who served in the Eisenhower administration: "This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth..." (Teachings of LDS prophet Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165).
* Lds "apostle"-turned-"prophet" John Taylor: "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand?
You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses 6:24).
* Lds "prophet' Spencer W. Kimball: "This is the only true church ...This is not a church. This is the Church of Jesus Christ. There are churches of men all over the land and they have great cathedrals, synagogues, and other houses of worship running into the hundreds of millions of dollars. They are churches of men. They teach the doctrines of men, combined with the philosophies and ethics and other ideas and ideals that men have partly developed and partly found in sacred places and interpreted for themselves" (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, p. 421).
And you know this HOW?
IoW, Burkean, Normandy the Mormon believes:
(a) When Jesus failed to keep His church together due to the Mormon claim of 100% apostasy, the Mormon jesus failed to the uttermost degree. But, no worry, 'cause countless edicts from Salt Lake City have assured their faithful and reassured them that the Mormon gods won't let their "prophet" lead them astray.
IoW, since Lds "prophet" Thomas Monson is their #16 "prophet," the Mormon score -- in baseball terms -- would be: The Salt Lake City Prophets 16, Jesus & His Apostle-Disciples 0.
(why Joseph Smith even boasted that "no man" -- except he alone-- had been able to keep a church together...and Smith compared himself to both Jesus and the apostle Paul in such a boast)
And then (b) The "little-known" Mormon description of those who are supposedly "saved" -- yet not in the Mormon celestial kingdom -- are those who will NEVER be in the presence of the Lord Jesus.
Sorry, Normandy...but a "heaven" without our Heavenly Father is no "heaven" at all...and you should be ashamed of promoting such a "heaven" as the true heaven!
Conventional Jewish history.
See, for just a single example,
http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/1326593/jewish/Who-Was-Melchizedek.htm
Oops, the first post got all jumbled. Here it is again, with more separation. Still comes up funky in preview though. Not acting as it normally does.:
You mean “conventional Jewish fables” written within the past 2,000 years about events that happened in the deepest antiquity, and which imagine silly fables like the one mentioned in your article:
“The Midrash tells us that he was so perfect and so spiritually advanced that he was born circumcised.2”
I do enjoy reading the Targum though with Jonathon Ben Uzziel, written some 30 years before the birth of Christ, since he supports the Christian reading of important Messianic prophecies in Isaiah, such as Isaiah 53: “Behold my servant the MESSIAH” in his paraphrase.
Your article also misapplies Psalm 110 to Abraham and his seed, when the topic is clearly that of the Messiah: Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. Unless the Jewish people is the ‘lord” of David.
Wow! I confess I thought this was accepted Christian teaching as well. I understand the fear and denial of Jewish theology, but did not realize it extended to actual Jewish history.
Psalm 83:4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
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