Posted on 03/23/2013 4:02:29 PM PDT by Colofornian
SNIP
The position that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true church upon the face of the earth is fundamental. Perhaps it would be more convenient and palatable and popular if we were to avoid it; nevertheless, we are under a sacred obligation and a sacred trust to hold to it. It is not merely an admission; it is a positive declaration. It is so fundamental that we cannot yield on this point.
Now to those who think us uncharitable, we say that it was not devised by us; it was declared by Him, for he gave commandments to the early brethren, and I quote:
“… to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually.” (D&C 1:30.)
SNIP I bear witness that he is a prophet of God. I have a witness that Jesus is the Christ. He lives. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true and living church upon the face of this earth, of which I bear witness in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
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A believing Mormon here — yes, I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church on earth authorized by Jesus, but certainly don’t believe that everyone else is going to hell. All will be judged perfectly by a just and merciful God, and I believe that great rewards await people from all faiths, who love God and love their neighbors as Jesus taught.
““Shh, that’s where the Church of Christ are. Thet think they’re the only ones here.””
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I love it :-)
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“Just like fourteen centuries after God established His religion, He decided to re-invent it through some guy...”
He didn’t “reinvent it,” He fulfilled it. And “some guy” is God, prophesized in all of the Holy Scripture.
Joh_1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
“How does believing one knows the truth make one intolerant? That is the question.”
Let them believe it. And when they demand to be numbered as Christians right along side us, we’ll remind them of it.
“A believing Mormon here — yes, I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only church on earth authorized by Jesus, but certainly don’t believe that everyone else is going to hell.”
Of course not. The LDS is generally Universalist, albeit the believing Mormon, who manages to be within that 15% of Temple Recommends, and, most importantly, gets married in the temple, gets to dwell with Heavenly Father and become Gods of their own planets; whereas the wicked and unbelieving are doomed to the lower degrees of glory, whose punishment consists of envying Mormons for all eternity, who, from time to time, only get visited by Christ, who is another god just like your average Mormon believer.
That is, except, perhaps for the apostates, and the Devil and his angels, who stay in outer darkness.
“All will be judged perfectly by a just and merciful God, and I believe that great rewards await people from all faiths, who love God and love their neighbors as Jesus taught.”
Jesus taught no such thing. He taught that salvation is through Him only, and all those who do not believe are condemned already.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Christ declared that salvation is the work of God alone, that all divine truths are revealed by the Father and not by man, and that He is the resurrection and the life by whom sinners are made clean.
Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 6:64-65 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. (65) And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Joh_15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Mat_16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
1Co_12:3 ... and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Act_13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Rom_9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
It does not matter how much you claim to work the works of God, or to do this or that. Salvation is by grace, without the working of the law, to all those who believe; and it is God who is sovereign in the lives of men.
Your doctrine denies this, and so, you deny and disbelieve Christ.
Yes we believe that Christ himself stated that all of the “Creeds” of Christiandom was an abomination to him.
After studying the conflict, political expediency and the forced compromise, I can completely understand why.
LDS belief in Christ is similar to that that existed before the Nicene Creed and is similar to that espoused by Tertullian in “Against Praxeas”
“LDS belief in Christ is similar to that that existed before the Nicene Creed and is similar to that espoused by Tertullian in “Against Praxeas””
Really? Why, I suppose you’ll point to the scripture that establish:
Polygamy
Polyandry
Polytheism
Man-to-God
Works-Righteousness
Secret Handshakes for to get into heaven
Baptism of the dead
And so on and so forth.
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
“Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?”
What, are you denying that Christ is God? God is not a man — that He should lie.
Christ is God with Us, who never told a lie.
Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
And there is only ONE God:
Isa_45:21 ... and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa_44:8 ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Not interested in your Noahide nonsense, which denies the Old Testament just as much as the New.
Many people are only interested in their own opinions. Those who know everything can never learn anything new.
“Many people are only interested in their own opinions. Those who know everything can never learn anything new.”
Aye, you define yourself well. If I am wrong, show me from the scripture. Don’t spam me with links and flippant comments.
Deuteronomy 17
9 And thou shall come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days; and thou shalt inquire; and they shall declare unto thee the sentence of judgment.
10 And thou shalt do according to the tenor of the sentence, which they shall declare unto thee from that place which the LORD shall choose; and thou shalt observe to do according to all that they shall teach thee.
11 According to the law which they shall teach thee, and according to the judgment which they shall tell thee, thou shalt do; thou shalt not turn aside from the sentence which they shall declare unto thee, to the right hand, nor to the left.
Deuteronomy 30
11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off.
12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say: ‘Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?’
13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say: ‘Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?’
14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Having established that we are to obey God, why then do you not believe God when He says that His son would be God with Us?
Isa_7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. (Immanuel, being interpreted means God with us.)
Why do you deny that Christ would come, to die for our sins, and be risen again, by whom we would be justified?
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:7-12 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. (8) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (9) And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. (10) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. (11) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. (12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Why do you not believe the Prophet Daniel, who said that Christ should come within a very specific set time, which would conclude with the destruction of the Jewish temple?
Dan 9:22-27 And he informed me, and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding. (23) At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision. (24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (25) Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
But yet, you believe none of it, and so much more than just that!
ALL: Godzilla already refuted Teppe with this lame claim in this thread from two years ago: Why is Huntsman’s Mormonism “Tough to Define”?
See 'Zilla's comments in posts #55, #58, #61, #63, #67, #68, #82, #85...
Teppe consistently shows he has no idea how to grasp historical tenets within the Christian faith...all becomes one tangled mess to him.
God bless Godzilla & Ejonesie22 for trying, tho!
Hecky durn!
You don't even 'believe' that you MORMONs are going to HELL; either!
You DENY the very words of Brigham HYoung: the Great Builder of MORMONism in the West!!
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
Thereby incurring the Spirit of Apostacy upon your soul!!
Do I need to DOCUMENT what happens to a MORMON when THIS happens???
What knid of a MORMON are you???You should know perfectly well that only about 15% of ALL mormons will get to live where GOD dwells forever.
That sure as HELL is NOT a 'great reward'!
Stuck at level #2 for ETERNITY with us damned (partialy) GENTILES!!!
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