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1 posted on 03/23/2013 6:59:14 AM PDT by NYer
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From the Commonweal blog

In a posting entitled "A smaller but purer Church?", dated October 21, 2010, Joseph A. Komonchak writes:


The phrase above is often attributed to Pope Benedict XVI. I have just googled it but not found it as his own expression, although many people attribute the idea to him. For example, in a story at the time of his election, I find this reference to our own David Gibson: “‘He has said himself that he wanted a smaller but purer church,’ Gibson said, referring to Ratzinger’s suggestion that Christianity may need to become smaller, in terms of its cultural significance, to remain true to itself.” In David’s book, The Rule of Benedict, there is a reference to the phrase in the context of a discussion of Ratzinger’s criticism of the German hierarchy during the Second World War for having allowed concern for institutional security to dull its awareness of what was going on under the Nazis. David writes:

Ratzinger says there was a German core that did remain faithful to Catholicism, but as cardinal and pope he would return to the theme of the dangers of privileging institutional ties, emphasizing that the church would do better to shed bricks and mortar–universities, hospitals, parochial schools, and the like–rather than have them animated by anything less than a purely orthodox faith. This is an element of his oft-cited preference for a “smaller but purer” church of the holy remnant. This preference for the minimum, the creed of the classical conservative he remains, would manifest itself in many ways, notably in an ingrained suspicion of national bishops’ conferences, which he saw in wartime Germany and later as acting in national-self-interest rather than in the interests of worldwide Catholicism.

This reference could suggest an argument along these lines: If the Catholic Church in Germany under the Nazis had been smaller but purer (e.g., if there had been more people like Franz Jägerstätter and fewer like his bishop), it would have provided a greater Christian witness against Hitler’s totalitarian regime than it did. I would agree with such an argument. Similarly, the massive institutional structure and apparatus of the Church can seriously compromise the freedom and eagerness of the Church to follow Christ as much as his possessions led the rich young man to depart saddened from his encounter with Christ because he had demanded that he sell all that he have, give it to the poor, and follow him along a path that would end at Calvary.

But I would like to be able to consult the place or places in which Ratzinger/Benedict speak of this “smaller but purer church”? Can anyone help?

Link, there are some interesting observations.


In his farewell greeting to the cardinals, Pope Benedict XVI said: "I desire to tell you that I will continue to remain close to you with prayer, especially in these next days, that you may be fully docile to the action of the Holy Spirit in the election of the new Pope. That the Lord will show you what he wants from you,” ref.

Your thoughts.

2 posted on 03/23/2013 6:59:51 AM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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3 posted on 03/23/2013 7:02:26 AM PDT by narses
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"300 People Could Live Here!"

I take it his holiness has not read Dr. Zhivago.

4 posted on 03/23/2013 7:09:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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Three hundred rich people.


6 posted on 03/23/2013 7:21:10 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Paul Ryan 2016)
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Since his election, several freepers have stated they are drawn to this man's humility and simple lifestyle

That would be, IMHO, the main result of Pope Francis moving from the Apostolic Palace. There are people who, right or wrong, are turned off by the riches of the Catholic church and the lifestyle of the bishops. They will look at the example of Pope Francis and say "maybe the Church is right, after all". I am not a Catholic, but I can relate to him as a fellow Christian and an example of humility. I had never wished I could meet a Pope until now!

8 posted on 03/23/2013 8:31:44 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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If the Pope indeed wants to “cure” the Curia problem, then he needs to wade right into the middle of it, that is to reside where the Curia operates - inside the Vatican. It he thinks living at a Cathedral on the other side of Rome is going to help him in this regard, he is very naive.

Then there is the matter of the millions of Catholics who pilgrimage to Rome and look to attending the Pope’s general audiences in St. Peter’s Square on Wednesdays and his appearance at the window of his living quarters.

Right now, all of this is speculation on the part of the media who just loves to stir the pot.


10 posted on 03/23/2013 9:16:01 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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When we look at the cultures of South America/Africa/Asia, this does not surprise comment does not surprise me. However, I do think he needs to remain there for the Angelus greeting each week.


13 posted on 03/23/2013 9:41:40 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I admire Francis’ desire to live a simpler life, but I am concerned with security.

His personal security is easily as important as any head of state, and his need for it is just as compelling.

I imagine there are plenty of nuts out there who would be motivated by such a world renowned target.


14 posted on 03/23/2013 9:46:58 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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A little different than being an Archbishop or the Bishop of Rome. Pope Francis is also the head of State of the Vatican, and thus needs that room when entertaining/hosting guests and priests from other countries.

I hope he reconsiders.

It’s the “head of state” thing that requires this space.


15 posted on 03/23/2013 10:39:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Room and board? OK, where do I sign up?


17 posted on 03/23/2013 10:42:33 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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I’m thinking Timeshares. 300 x 52 weeks...

Lots of cash to pay for the Lawyers.


18 posted on 03/23/2013 10:51:32 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Compliance with Tyranny is Treason...)
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