Evangelist Luis Palau: New Pope Francis a Friend of Evangelicals

Christian Post ^ | 03/16/2013 | Anugrah Kumar

[PapaNew]

Luis Palau’s a good guy.

[Gil4]

“New Pope Francis a Friend of Evangelicals”

So he has renounced the anathemas of Trent and embraced the true gospel? < /sarc>

[SeekAndFind]

RE: So he has renounced the anathemas of Trent

VATICAN II seems to have IN EFFECT done that without directly saying so.

Vatican II claims:

“The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ” (“Dogmatic Constitution...,” 1964, 2.15).

[Mrs. Don-o]

This is very good. Waiting for mortar shells to explode on this thread from frustrated fortressed tridentine fratres in

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[ducttape45]

For some reason that old song "Another One Bites the Dust" comes to mind........

Sigh........,,, another once good Biblical teacher and preacher embraces ecumenicalism.

[muawiyah]

There are worst problems than some folks praying in buildings they own ~ for instance, there are real commies and real nazis in Argentina. That's the case elsewhere as well.

First things first then we can excommunicate and toss more anamathemas ~ actually, my church does neither, but that's just us.

[SMCC1]

Evangelical Catholicism? George Weigel has written about it.

[Lera]

The most incidious form of deception is error mixed with truth and the Jesuits are masters of mixing error with truth and changing the meaning of words . He speaks like a dragon.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

[Romulus]

Is “friend of Evangelicals” code for something? I ask because Pope Benedict surely showed every sign of good will toward non Catholic Christians. If something has changed, I think we should be told.

[Mrs. Don-o]

As far as I can see, Romulus, "friend of Evangelicals" is a good thing. Some of our dear brothers and sisters in the Faith have tagged it--- in other threads --- as a code for "weak-kneed ecumaniac"; but of such hotheaded talk, the less said, the better.

[Mercat]

Here’s my thoughts on the kneeling. It’s not to honor the man but the Apostolic succession.

[LifeComesFirst]

I like Berg...—sorry, Francis—a lot, and I’m a non-denominational Christian. Reading the list of papabili, he was my fave.

Oh boy, are the Catholics going to shudder at all of the protestant love he’s getting? ;) “If they like him how good can he be?”

[polkajello]

I agree. A previous church I was on staff for supported Luis and I met him on a number of occasions. Solid man.

[Gil4]

Vatican II might have softened the language somewhat, but it reaffirmed the doctrines. The language was bad; the doctrine is worse.

[SeekAndFind]

Here’s what VATICAN I SAID:

Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the Lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema (“First Dogmatic...,” 1870, 2.5, parenthetical item in original).

Here’s what VATICAN II says:

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter.

For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ (“Dogmatic Constitution...,” 1964, 2.15)

One council says those who don’t recognize the Roman Pontiff as the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy is ANATHEMA, while the later council says They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ even when they DON’T acknowledge the Roman Pontiff.

I don’t call the above mere softening of words. I call it NOT AFFIRMING the previous words.

You cannot reconcile the word ANATHEMA and the words United with Christ. The two are dramatically opposite each other.

[Campion]

"Anathema" has a specific technical meaning, or rather it did in 1870. It's a formal, liturgical excommunication. (The phrase "bell, book, and candle" refers to the ceremony of anathema.)

The penalty of "anathema" no longer exists in canon law post 1983, so the penalty clauses of those anathemas are legally void.

Non-Catholics aren't subject to Catholic church discipline, so the penalty of "anathema" never applied in any case.

[RobbyS]

Indeed. Trent was addressing people who had been baptized in the Catholic Church. They were formal heretics. The majority of evangelicals are not. Furthermore, even Trent was concerned about the leaders of the Reformation rather than their followers, many of whom were compelled by the laws of their states to adjure their faith. Different time, different place.

[Biggirl]

Luis Palau is correct, the new Pope DOES live out the calling of God and the Holy Bible.

[SeekAndFind]

From the Dictionary:

ANATHEMA:

Somebody or something formally denounced: somebody or something cursed, denounced, or excommunicated by a religious authority

So Martin Luther and John Calvin are still under Roman Catholic condemnation but not their followers?

You can believe what Luther and Calvin believed but not be anathema?