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To: wmfights

The creeds came because some get quite different meanings from the same Scripture, Arius for example.

Saying one reveres Scripture can means they revere their version and interpretation of it.

You cannot have one Lord, one faith, one baptism when the Church is comprised of individuals with their own theology.


31 posted on 03/01/2013 9:09:59 AM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr; wmfights
Saying one reveres Scripture can means they revere their version and interpretation of it.

The charge that the different translations are different in their content simply does not hold water.

If you check Scripture on a verse by verse basis and compare versions, you'll see that there's essentially no difference between the interpretations.

Here's a link for your convenience which shows many versions of the same verse.

http://bible.cc/john/1-1.htm

And you can use it for any verse by entering it in the white field at the top of the page.

Additionally, there are not all that many different interpretations of those verses. Usually there's just one, but there may be two or at the most three, but that is pretty rare.

So both arguments fall flat.

Nor does that mean that any one organization's interpretation is the right one. Just because there is consensus by the leadership of an organization, denomination, or church, does not mean that that interpretation is by default correct.

Truth is not decided by consensus. It stands on its own whether anyone believes it or not or agrees with it or not. It stands outside man's existence or acknowledgement because it is based on God's nature, not man's interpretation.

Truth is truth because God is true, not because people believe it.

33 posted on 03/01/2013 12:36:37 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr; wmfights; daniel1212; CynicalBear; boatbums
You cannot have one Lord, one faith, one baptism when the Church is comprised of individuals with their own theology.

Sure you can. Show me where Scripture states that someone's theology has to be *perfect* to be saved or part of the body of Christ.

And besides, the Catholic church itself allows for plenty of leeway amongst it's adherents.

Teddy Kennedy still got a Catholic funeral.

34 posted on 03/01/2013 12:39:28 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: D-fendr
You cannot have one Lord, one faith, one baptism when the Church is comprised of individuals with their own theology.

What has gotten lost in the quest to find a human ruler is the role of the Holy Spirit.

If you look at the Apostolic Era churches and the churches of the generations immediately following you will not find a man made hierarchy, that emerged later. What you will find is churches united by their faith in Jesus Christ guided by the Holy Spirit. Our Scriptures were filtered by these Holy Spirit led Christians. The variety in theological beliefs didn't hamper the Holy Spirit at all and Christianity grew at an incredible rate.

36 posted on 03/01/2013 1:43:36 PM PST by wmfights
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To: D-fendr
The creeds came because some get quite different meanings from the same Scripture, Arius for example.

So; if we can get enough folks voting on it; the MAJORITY says it becomes the TRUTH forever...


(And now we have Obama...)

60 posted on 03/01/2013 7:42:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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