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There was no great schism lasting from 1309 to 1377. No schism started in 1309 either. You’re only as bright as the source you use when you rely on “Key Dates in History for Dummies:”

Since that level of “scholarship” seems to be all you can muster please see Medieval History for Dummies. In it you will see that the great schism of the west began in 1378 and not in 1309. What began in 1309 was the Avignon Papacy.

If you want some scholarship that’s a bit more serious:

Encyclopedia Britaninca: defining “Western Schism” it says: “In the history of the Roman Catholic church, the period from 1378 to 1417...”

Louis Salembier, in his book, The Great Schism of the West, says, on page 62 that the schism began in 1378.

George Jefferis Jordan, in his 1972 book, The Inner History of the Great Schism of the West says the schism began in 1378 (pages 20-25)

Under the subject heading of “The Schism of 1378,” Paul D. L. Avis wrote: “The conciliar thinking that was latent in mediaeval theology and canon law was given its opportunity by the challenge thrown up by the Great Schism of the West in 1378>” See his book: Beyond the Reformation?: Authority, Primacy and Unity in the Conciliar Tradition, (published 2006) page 71.

“Culturaly speaking, the Great Schism in the West from 1378 to 1417...” Michael Mitterauer, Why Europe?: The Medieval Origins of Its Special Path, (published in English in 2010) page 145.

“...transferred the papacy back to Rome in 1378. French bishops rejected the move and elected rival popes. This sparked the Western Schism sometimes called the Great Schism...” Encyclopedia of Catholicism, By Frank K. Flinn, page 80.

“The Great Schism of the West began in 1378.” Steven Runciman, The Great Church in Captivity: A Study of the Patriarchate of Constantinople (page 101).

Clearly the title of the following book tells you when the schism began: Joëlle Rollo-Koster, Thomas M. Izbicki, A Companion to the Great Western Schism (1378-1417). It was published in 2009.

Edward Gibbon in his classic work, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Volume 6 says the Great Schism began in 1378 (page 398 of the New York Harper edition from 1826).

“...called the Great Schism, which began in 1378 and did not conclude until 1417.” Eugene F. Bales, Philosophy in the West: Men, Women, Religion, Science (page 246) published in 2008.

“...who strove to heal the Great Schism in the West (1378-1417).” Richard P. McBrien, Harold William Attridge, The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism (1995) page 559.

“Great Schism (1378-1417)” Nathan P. Feldmeth, Pocket Dictionary of Church History, (2008), page 68.

“The Great Western, 1378- 1417” LIBRARY OF CONGRESS SUBJECT HEADING !!! http://books.google.com/books?id=jjsoAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA5197&dq=schism+of+the+west&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HH41UeecLaaB2gWE0YCACg&ved=0CGMQ6AEwCTgo#v=onepage&q=schism%20of%20the%20west&f=false

“The “Great Schism” of the West (1378-1417) radically changed the rules of the game, as far as the West was concerned.” John Meyendorff, Rome, Constantinople, Moscow: Historical and Theological Studies, (page 94).

“In the great schism of the west, as it is called (1378,)...” Blackwood’s Magazine, Volume 6, (1823), page 483.

“The papal court had hardly returned from Avignon to Rome (1377) than there began the Great Schism of the West. Thereafter for nearly forty years there were two — or even three — ‘popes’,” The Council of Florence (Cambridge University Press, 1959), (page 16).

“In the middle ages, the major schisms were that between east and west, which began in 1054, and that within the western (Roman) church from 1378-1417, when there were two Popes and then three.” Don S. Armentrout, Robert Boak Slocum , An Episcopal Dictionary of the Church: A User-Friendly Reference... (page 469).

are you starting to see the picture HarleyD? So far you have Horton (who is a moron) and “Key Dates in History for Dummies” which actually contradicts the book, Medieval History for Dummies. Nice. You don’t have anything in other words.