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To: daniel1212

Liberal Prots

LOL!

Do you really know all the Baptisms that are accepted? Not just these recent ones.

The word, liberal, here is an oxymoron when referring to all these churches.

And where are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church is liberal?

It is the one and only church that through the ages as stood against:
abortion
euthanasia
contraception
homosexuality
embronic stem cell research

Many non - Catholic Churches endorse some of those practices. I’m not talking about individuals here, but the beliefs of the churches.


71 posted on 02/24/2013 9:13:55 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

has stood against:


72 posted on 02/24/2013 9:15:12 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

That is one of the reasons why, when someone is planning to come into the Church at Easter via RCIA, there are two groups. The ones already baptized are called “canidates”, those who are not “catachumeums” who would be receiving all three sacraments.


83 posted on 02/25/2013 7:35:24 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Salvation
all the Baptisms that are accepted

That is broadly speaking, as unlike what this formally agreement affirms, and despite the broad language of Lumen Gentium, this does not affirm all Protestant baptisms as being "proper baptisms." And while there is good reason not to due to cults (and evangelical churches can reject both Catholic and "Jesus only" baptisms, besides Mormonic, etc.), what is meant by "intends to do what the church does" would seem to exclude those who adhere to credobaptism, rather than baptismal regeneration.

And at least years ago,

"Practically, converts in the United States are almost invariably baptized either absolutely or conditionally, not because the baptism administered by heretics [per Rome's definition] is held to be invalid, but because it is generally impossible to discover whether they had ever been properly baptized. Even in cases where a ceremony had certainly been performed, reasonable doubt of validity will generally remain, on account of either the intention of the administrator or the mode of administration. Still each case must be examined into (S. C. Inquis., 20 Nov., 1878) lest the sacrament be sacrilegiously repeated." Catholic Encyclopedia>Baptism (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13295a.htm)

And where are you getting the idea that the Catholic Church is liberal?

Where? From those whom Rome counts and treats as members in life and in death: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html

88 posted on 02/25/2013 9:02:30 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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