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Sorry I have every right to attack someone when I see BS regardless of the type of topic..


8 posted on 02/17/2013 9:23:53 AM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: KevinDavis; greyfoxx39; All
Kevin -- others -- ALL -- please take the time to carefully cull through these many links...and THEN you can take issue with whatever you want...(Opinions are encouraged on FR!!!) We just simply appreciate informed opinions more than uninformed ones!!!

Key Links to Most of 95 Theses: Info, Web Sites Articles on Top Issues Leading to Major Mormon Exodus

Thesis # Links MRM.tv; John Ankerberg links; Mormonisminvestigated (UK) youtube linkage, etc.
1. Smith's peepstone usage in Book of Mormon 'translation' Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #15 from this article) + Translation of the Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon translation + A Seer Stone and a Hat - "Translating" the Book of Mormon Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #3)
2. The Missing Mormon archaeology of Book of Mormon civilizations The Scientific Search for Nephite Remains (Mormon Archaeology )
3. Book of Mormon history -- anachonisms Anachronisms Where did the Book of Mormon come from? + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #4 & #5))#
4. DNA as relating to undergirding Book of Mormon history Lamanite DNA (scroll down) + DNA Science Challenges LDS History DNA vs. the Book of Mormon
5. Note how Book of Mormon names matches up, with slight revisions, with local names where Joseph Smith resided In Search of Book of Mormon Geography + Book of Mormon Geography: Which Theory do you Believe?
6. Early Mormon theology and latter-day fallout from disbelieving Mormon theology/doctrine Resources on Lds theology + "This Is My Doctrine": The Development of Mormon Theology + The Evolution of Mormon Theology + Joseph Smith’s Modalism: Sabellian Sequentialism or Swedenborgian Expansionism?
7 to 11. Losing faith in Book of Mormon as historical account The Book of Mormon + Book of Mormon Difficulties John Ankerberg Show "Book of Mormon is not qualified" + Top 10 Mormon Problems
10. First Nephi has LOTS of issues The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (KJV Translation errors show up in the Book of Mormon)
12 to 14. Book of Abraham really an Egyptian funeral document? The Book of Abraham + The Book of Abraham + Book of Abraham + Death Blow to Mormonism – The Book of Abraham is a Fake? + The Book of Abraham + Min is Not God! The Lost Book of Abraham + Top 10 Mormon Problems
15. Fake Kinderhook Plates which fooled Joseph Smith The Kinderhook Plates Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #7)
17. Joseph Smith marries 14-year-old...and dozens of wives Joseph Smith's 14 year old bride Helen Mar Kimball 100
18. Polyandry: Joseph Smith married the wives of 11 fellow Mormons Joseph Smith Married Other Men's Wives: Would you share your spouse with the Prophet?
18 thru 25. Polygamy--including post-manifesto polygamy/Polyandry -- "polyandry" including Joseph Smith being married to 11 women already married -- who remained married Polygamy [Everything you might want to possibly know about historical Mormon polygamy] + LDS Leaders Still Believe There Will be Polygamy in Heaven The 34 wives of Joseph Smith (and their 11 husbands) + Lifting the Veil of Polygamy + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #8)
20. Joseph Smith secret 'marriage' to teen Fanny Alger minus authority to do so Alger History and Ancestry: Fanny W. Alger 1817-1879 + Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (See #17, 18 from this article)
21. LDS Leaders' Lies to Cover-Up Historical Polygamy Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #56 thru #59, #64, #71, #72, #76 thru #113, #132 from this article) + LDS Leaders, Their Ethics and Lying for the Lord
22. Joseph Smith lied to his original wife See # 22, 24, 29, 30, 39, 40 etc. from this list: Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read]
23. Polygamy: How it went from 'everlasting' to 'embarrassing' Great Moments in Mormon History
24. Post-manifesto Mormon polygamy Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #56 through #59, #76 thru #113, and #125 from this article) + see Solemn Covenant: THE MORMON POLYGAMOUS PASSAGE -- see appendix list of about 260 plural marriages solemnized between 1890-1910
25. Lds 'scriptures' inconsistent with each other The Book of Mormon vs Mormonism
28. Joseph Smith, post 'first vision,' tries to join Methodist church Joseph Smith Tries to Join the Methodists
29. Multiple/conflicting versions of Joseph Smith's 'First Visions' Joseph Smith's First Vision: Examining the evidence related to Joseph Smith’s claim to have seen the Father and the Son + The First Vision + First Vision plagiarized Heart of the Matter: First Vision II
30. Why lengthy lag time of announcing 'First Vision'? (Authenticity or credibility of 'priesthood restoration'/Is Lds church 'One True Church?') Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #1 from this article) + Priesthood Restoration + The Great Apostasy + Did Brigham Young teach that Christians are ignorant people? Those Abominable Creeds +
31. Smith's history of treasure-digging Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #11 from this article) + Joseph Smith and Money-Digging + See post #15
32. Joseph Smith repeatedly claimed angel 'Nephi' -- Not 'Moroni' was 'Angel' that visited him Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #5 from this article)
33. Gold plates difficult for Joseph Smith to move How Heavy Were Those Gold Plates?
34. Loss of credibility of so-called 'Book of Mormon witnesses' Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #14 from this article) + The Witnesses + Book of Mormon witnesses Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #9)
36. No early mention of Melchizedek priesthood in Mormon church Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #10 from this article)
38. Joseph Smith wouldn't have been able to pass a 'Word of Wisdom' interview Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #6 from this article)
43. Masonic influences in temple ceremony Masonic Influence in the Endowment Ceremony + Masonry/Temple Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #10) + Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples
45 & 46. Lds temple ceremony changes: Why change something 'direct from Mormon god?' Temple Ritual Changed...Again + Only The Latest In A Long Line: Temple Ceremony Changes Through History + Why the temple ceremony was changed in 1990 - LDS-Mormon + Why the need for secret death oaths in the LDS Temple Endowment Ceremony? [Secretive Mormon church] Sandra Tanner on Mormon Temples + Top 10 Mormon Problems (see #10)
48. Lds church making Jews into 'Mormons' post-death as their 'saviors?' Are Mormon people LITERAL saviors of dead Jews, others? (The OTHER World Series: Vanity)
50. Joseph Smith shenanigans re: Nauvoo Expositor Nauvoo City Council’s minutes of 1840s provide chaos, contention and lies [Lds' Smith Shenanigans] + Unparralled Outrage at Nauvoo + The Martyrdom: The Prophet Seals His Testimony with His Blood [168th anniversary of Lds censorship]
51. Joseph Smith died in a gun battle PALMER'S ALMANAC: Mormon prophet Joseph Smith met with violent end + The Nauvoo Expositor Affair [Death of Mormon Joseph Smith]
53. Mormon cosmology? Mormon Science and Space Doctrines [Kolobian cosmology]
56. Lds prophet prophecies that failed to pass (Losing faith in Joseph Smith) The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + this earlier 2003 FR posted piece: Failed prophecies of Joseph Smith + Joseph Smith Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith +The Prophecies of Joseph Smith + First steps into a New Life
57. Brigham Young's "Adam" = Mormon god teaching over 20 years Adam God doctrine BYU Professor Admits Adam-God Taught By Brigham Young
58 to 61. Losing confidence in Lds general authorities Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] + An American Fraud: One Lawyer's Case Against Mormonism + Resources on Lds theology + How Well Do You Know Mormon Church Leaders of the Past? + Can Mormons Trust Their Prophets?
62. Lack of Mormon leader discernment when meeting with con artist/ murderer-to-be Mark Hofmann scandal Film in the works about Hinckley and the Mark Hofmann Episode Mormon Stories Podcast: The Mormon Forgery Bombings – The Complex Legacy of Mark Hofmann 25 Years Later
65. Do official Mormon sources exist? What about the Journal of Discourses? Do “Official” Mormon Sources Exist?
66. Church history cover-up by Lds leaders Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #7, #129)
67. Studying Mormon church history leading to disbelief -- therefore church leaders pre-empt scope of much Lds historical scholarship Historical issues + Interesting Looks at Mormon History The Early Years of Mormonism
69. Lds church placing illegal aliens in leadership positions 2 LDS branch presidents in Utah deported to Guatemala, El Salvador
72. Mormon 'testimonial' manipulation Ten Lies I Told as a Mormon Missionary
73. Mormon 'prophet' Hinckley covered up Mormon teaching of becoming gods Mormon Profits and Lying
74. Blood atonement: How Jesus' blood is anemic per Mormonism Blood Atonement What is Mormon Doctrin of "blood atonement"?
76. Mountain Meadows Massacre: First 9/11 terrorist act in USA Mountain Meadows Massacre:“MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE HORROR CONTINUES 150 YEARS LATER” + Lying for the Lord [Not the typical version / Well worth the read] (see #133-134) Mountain Meadow Massacre
78 to 81. Mormon Racism: Exclusion of blacks from Priesthood into 1978 Blacks and the priesthood + Racism + Racial Statements in LDS Scriptures + See Bott file & links >Racism and Mormonism + Top 10 Mormon Problems
83. Lds stances re: women Great Moments in Mormon History + Making Mormon 'Spirit' Babies [Ecumenic]
87. Lack of Lds church financial transparency -- even to its own members/leaders Mormon church earns $7 billion a year from tithing, analysis indicates
89. Supposedly 'lay clergy' Mission Presidents receive 'sweet' 'benefits' deal Unpaid Mormon leaders get pretty sweet deal
94. Relying upon emotional sentiments? (A 'testimony') Quick Responses to the 10 Most Common LDS Questions (See #7)

11 posted on 02/17/2013 9:27:54 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: KevinDavis
Then you should have a field day with Mormons. Jesus in America, Joe Smith a prophet, multiple gods, etc. etc. etc., a virtual cornucopia of BS for you to go after...
17 posted on 02/17/2013 9:34:54 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: KevinDavis

Of course you can attack anyone based on BS, please do so, right after you post the BS - k?


22 posted on 02/17/2013 9:40:14 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: KevinDavis
Sorry I have every right to attack someone when I see BS regardless of the type of topic..

Here ya go!

Have a BALL!!!




THE FIRST BOOK OF NEPHI

HIS REIGN AND MINISTRY
CHAPTER 16
The wicked take the truth to be hard—Lehi’s sons marry the daughters of Ishmael—The Liahona guides their course in the wilderness—Messages from the Lord are written on the Liahona from time to time—Ishmael dies; his family murmur because of afflictions. Between 600 and 592 B.C.
1 And now it came to pass that after I, Nephi, had made an end of speaking to my brethren, behold they said unto me: Thou hast declared unto us hard things, more than we are able to bear.
2 And it came to pass that I said unto them that I knew that I had spoken ahard things against the wicked, according to the truth; and the righteous have I justified, and testified that they should be lifted up at the last day; wherefore, the bguilty taketh the ctruth to be hard, for it dcutteth them to the very center.
3 And now my brethren, if ye were righteous and were willing to hearken to the truth, and give heed unto it, that ye might awalk uprightly before God, then ye would not murmur because of the truth, and say: Thou speakest hard things against us.
4 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did exhort my brethren, with all diligence, to keep the commandments of the Lord.
5 And it came to pass that they did ahumble themselves before the Lord; insomuch that I had joy and great hopes of them, that they would walk in the paths of righteousness.
6 Now, all these things were said and done as my father dwelt in a tent in the avalley which he called Lemuel.
7 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the adaughters of Ishmael to bwife; and also, my brethren took of the cdaughters of Ishmael to wife; and also dZoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.
8 And thus my father had fulfilled all the acommandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.
9 And it came to passthat the voice of the Lord spake unto my father by night, and commanded him that on the morrow he should take his ajourney into the wilderness.
10 And it came to passthat as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round aball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine brass. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one bpointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.
11 And it came to passthat we did gather together whatsoever things we should carry into the wilderness, and all the remainder of our provisions which the Lord had given unto us; and we did take aseed of every kind that we might carry into the wilderness.
12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman.
13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place aShazer.
14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows, and go forth into the wilderness to slay food for our families; and after we had slain food for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer. And we did go forth again in the wilderness, following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the aRed Sea.
15 And it came to pass that we did travel for the space of many days, aslaying food by the way, with our bows and our arrows and our stones and our slings.
16 And we did follow the adirections of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.
17 And after we had traveled for the space of many days, we did pitch our tents for the space of a time, that we might again rest ourselves and obtain food for our families.
18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine asteel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.
19 And it came to pass that we did return without food to our families, and being much fatigued, because of their journeying, they did suffer much for the want of food.
20 And it came to pass that Laman and Lemuel and the sons of Ishmael did begin to murmur exceedingly, because of their sufferings and afflictions in the wilderness; and also my father began to murmur against the Lord his God; yea, and they were all exceedingly sorrowful, even that they did amurmur against the Lord.
21 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, having been afflicted with my brethren because of the loss of my bow, and their bows having lost their asprings, it began to be exceedingly difficult, yea, insomuch that we could obtain no food.
22 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did speak much unto my brethren, because they had hardened their hearts again, even unto acomplaining against the Lord their God.
23 And it came to pass I, Nephi, did amake out of wood a bow, and out of a straight stick, an arrow; wherefore, I did arm myself with a bow and an arrow, with a sling and with stones. And I said unto my bfather: Whither shall I go to obtain food?
24 And it came to pass that he did ainquire of the Lord, for they had bhumbled themselves because of my words; for I did say many things unto them in the energy of my soul.
25 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord came unto my father; and he was truly achastened because of his murmuring against the Lord, insomuch that he was brought down into the depths of sorrow.
26 And it came to pass that the voice of the Lord said unto him: Look upon the ball, and behold the things which are written.
27 And it came to pass that when my father beheld the things which were awritten upon the ball, he did fear and tremble exceedingly, and also my brethren and the sons of Ishmael and our wives.
28 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the pointers which were in the ball, that they did work according to the afaith and diligence and heed which we did give unto them.
29 And there was also written upon them a new writing, which was plain to be read, which did give us aunderstanding concerning the ways of the Lord; and it was written and changed from time to time, according to the faith and diligence which we gave unto it. And thus we see that by bsmall means the Lord can bring about great things.
30 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did go forth up into the top of the mountain, according to the adirections which were given upon the ball.
31 And it came to pass that I did slay wild abeasts, insomuch that I did obtain food for our families.
32 And it came to pass that I did return to our tents, bearing the beasts which I had slain; and now when they beheld that I had obtained afood, how great was their joy! And it came to pass that they did humble themselves before the Lord, and did give thanks unto him.
33 And it came to pass that we did again take our journey, traveling nearly the same course as in the beginning; and after we had traveled for the space of many days we did pitch our tents again, that we might tarry for the space of a time.
34 And it came to pass that aIshmael died, and was buried in the place which was called bNahom.
35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did amourn exceedingly, because of the loss of their father, and because of their bafflictions in the wilderness; and they did cmurmur against my father, because he had brought them out of the land of Jerusalem, saying: Our father is dead; yea, and we have wandered much in the wilderness, and we have suffered much affliction, hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and after all these sufferings we must perish in the wilderness with hunger.
36 And thus they did murmur against my father, and also against me; and they were desirous to areturn again to Jerusalem.
37 And Laman said unto Lemuel and also unto the sons of Ishmael: Behold, let us aslay our father, and also our brother Nephi, who has taken it upon him to be our bruler and our teacher, who are his elder brethren.
38 Now, he says that the Lord has talked with him, and also that aangels have ministered unto him. But behold, we know that he lies unto us; and he tells us these things, and he worketh many things by his cunning arts, that he may deceive our eyes, thinking, perhaps, that he may lead us away into some strange wilderness; and after he has led us away, he has thought to make himself a king and a ruler over us, that he may do with us according to his will and pleasure. And after this manner did my brother Laman bstir up their hearts to canger.
39 And it came to pass that the Lord was with us, yea, even the voice of the Lord came and did speak many words unto them, and did achasten them exceedingly; and after they were chastened by the voice of the Lord they did turn away their anger, and did repent of their sins, insomuch that the Lord did bless us again with food, that we did not perish.
 

39 posted on 02/17/2013 6:27:06 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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