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To: Rashputin
"Surrender & Evacuation" book sales and speakers fees are way, way, down since the Camping fiasco. Selectively reversing their claim that no Catholic has ever been right about anything to embrace Saint Malachy is nothing for them if it revives sagging sales and fees.

Between Christmas and New Years I went to Barns & Noble to spend a gift card one son gave me. There, in the religion section, I saw an excitable little book explaining the significance in the prophetic calendar of the Mayan 2012 end-of-epoch event. I thought to myself, "There's a book with a really short "use by" date..."

I went looking at amazon for it. Couldn't find it, but I did find this little gem:

End of the World 2012 Book: The Latest Up-to-Date Information on the Mayan Calendar, the Alignment with the Galactic Center, and the December 21 2012 Mayan Prophecies?Will the World End in 2012?.

Best part: "Want it Wednesday, Feb. 13? Order within 18 hrs 42 mins, and choose One-Day Shipping at checkout.".

Ooops

People who can overlook the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD in order to embrace the interpretation of an author or speaker won't have any problem overlooking a a Catholic Saint being thrown into the mix.

The only person I have ever encountered who did anything with the place of the AD 70 destruction of the Jerusalem temple in the "prophetic calendar" is the late Presbyterian scholar Meredith Kline, in his Covenant of the Seventieth Week.

Daniel had prayed for the restoration of the Jerusalem temple, the paramount sacramental symbol of Israel’s covenant relation to Yahweh. The prophecy of the seventy weeks assured him that his prayer would begin to be answered at once and that the restoration of the covenant community would be completed in what is portrayed as a jubilee period. Then the prophecy went on to disclose the ultimate unfolding of the covenant and the paradoxical prospects that lay in store for the temple at that later time. After being restored, the Jerusalem temple would again be made a den of abomination, evoking another and final desolation. Israel’s Lord would pour out on the rebellious vassal-nation the full vengeance of His broken covenant. But though the curse would be executed to the uttermost, the blessing of the covenant would be secured for the many who were the elect and true Israel. Before the curse terminated the old Mosaic order, Messiah would institute the new covenant order, in which the old people and city and temple would find continuity and consummation. Before the Jerusalem temple was levelled, the foundations of the everlasting temple of the Spirit, which is Christ and His church, would be laid. This new, anti typical restoration of God’s temple would be the achievement of what is portrayed as ten jubilee periods.

In the course of the climactic seventieth week, masiah nagid, the anointed priest-king, would make the covenant prevail both in renewal and in judgment. Cut off in death, Messiah would make priestly reconciliation for iniquity, so perfecting sacrifice forever and instituting the new covenant. Then exercising His royal heavenly rule over all the nations, Messiah in the midst of the seventieth week would send forces of destruction against the Jerusalem temple, so making the old ritual system cease [43] and bringing the old covenant to its end. [44]

When we survey the fulfillment of Gabriel’s prophecy from our vantage point, it appears that the last half of the seventieth week is the age of the community of the new covenant, disengaged from the old covenant order with whose closing days its own beginnings overlapped for a generation. In the imagery of the New Testament Apocalypse, the last half week is the age of the church in the wilderness of the nations for a time, and times, and half a time (Rev. 12:14). Since the seventy weeks are ten jubilee eras that issue in the last jubilee, the seventieth week closes with the angelic trumpeting of the earth’s redemption and the glorious liberty of the children of God. The acceptable year of the Lord which came with Christ will then have fully come. Then the new Jerusalem whose temple is the Lord and the Lamb will descend from heaven (Rev. 21:10,22) and the ark of the covenant will be seen (Rev. 11:19), the covenant the Lamb has made to prevail and the Lord has remembered.

(Worth a read, IMHO, though I can hear the hissing from certain quarters from here.)

50 posted on 02/11/2013 4:34:14 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Lee N. Field
Reading through the link you provided, I'll have to add that to my lengthy list of "must read" books. Given that you recommend it and the year is young, I'll even put it in with what I hope to be able to afford this year.

I recommend "Before Jerusalem Fell" by Dr. Kenneth Gentry, Jr to anyone and everyone who brings up the subject of the impending "Surrender & Evacuation". As far as I'm concerned, there's no way to argue convincingly against what Gentry carefully sifts through to arrive at his conclusion that the book of Revelation was written in the early 60s AD, well before the 70 AD destruction of Jersusalem. That alone undermines a lot of the interpretations and variations on interpretations that are constantly being pumped out. If I recall correctly, he's a Presbyterian pastor or at least he was. He may have moved on to teaching or something by now.

I've wondered why Daniel being told words are closed up and sealed to the end of the time isn't more logically connected to Daniel being under the Old Covenant. His not seeing beyond the end of the OC makes a lot of sense to me but I haven't run anyone else who even considered that so I've never really dug into it. The book you've recommended looks like what could finally end my wondering about that point. As with Daniel who interpret to suit their own agenda, Christ makes a very detailed prophecy that fits the destruction of Jerusalem to a "T" but people rob Him of praise He is due and worthy of in order to fit His words their preconceptions. I don't see how that squares with following Christ and giving Him all Glory and Honor.

As I run into ever more twisted and fractured little Surrender & Evacuation stuff from people, I've realized just how little it would take for someone to trot out a strong delusion and draw the majority of people away from Christ without their even thinking about it. It seems like anything that has the "special knowledge" appeal of Gnosticism never fails to lead people astray.

Thanks a lot for the recommending this book and I hope things are doing well or better for you.

Regards

58 posted on 02/11/2013 8:19:47 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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