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To: ShadowAce; presently no screen name; D-fendr; DManA; Chaguito; HarleyD

OK. To get to the crux of the matter, I have some questions:

Does God save man, or does man save himself?

If God saves man, how is it done?

If man chooses God, then is not man that saves himself, and not God, but God merely offering an opportunity to be saved? And does God know who will choose him?

Where in scripture is complete free will of man shown?

Is this complete free will subservient to the will of God?

Is this free will in bondage to man’s sinful nature, or can man overcome this sinful nature on his own to seek repentance?

Does the Bible show that God chooses one man over another?


151 posted on 02/08/2013 1:31:17 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: kosciusko51

I believe if you meditate on the Scriptures already given to you, you will have the answers to your questions.


153 posted on 02/08/2013 1:41:36 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: kosciusko51

I believe this debate has been done before, and each knows the others position, text proofs etc. My main point is that it is quite different and results in quite different views on salvation, God and man.

In general as it relates to our discussion, Calvinism goes to an extreme - no man, all God. Whereas the rest of Christian doctrine has much more of a relationship between God and man.


154 posted on 02/08/2013 1:51:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: kosciusko51
Does God save man, or does man save himself? If God saves man, how is it done?

Luk_18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

He gives us sight and faith. Our faith saves us.

Where in scripture is complete free will of man shown? Is this complete free will subservient to the will of God?

Get ready for a class in philosophy.

Does the Bible show that God chooses one man over another?

I flip to these few verses so much that my electronic bible is wearing out. Don't expect an analysis of these verses or harmonizing the scriptures. Just expect other verses supposedly countering these verses and more blah, blah, blah.
156 posted on 02/08/2013 1:53:58 PM PST by HarleyD
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