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To: kosciusko51

I believe this debate has been done before, and each knows the others position, text proofs etc. My main point is that it is quite different and results in quite different views on salvation, God and man.

In general as it relates to our discussion, Calvinism goes to an extreme - no man, all God. Whereas the rest of Christian doctrine has much more of a relationship between God and man.


154 posted on 02/08/2013 1:51:05 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr
Calvinism goes to an extreme - no man, all God.

You say that, but from my experience, most non-Calvinist go to the other extreme: Man is in control, as he makes the decision.

158 posted on 02/08/2013 2:01:16 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: D-fendr

In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. Acts 17:30

command = require obedience
repent = change the mind about the direction of one’s life

The calvinist position is so hidebound by the overweening doctrine of Total Depravity that it redefines simple words and sentences to conform to that doctrine.

However, it is all quite theoretical. I say a man can walk away from a covenant made in good faith between himself and God, and the calvinist says he was never saved to begin with. Of course, maybe he is *still* saved, who knows?

As with all systematic theology, ultimately the system becomes God, a God whom arrogant men feel they understand with their puny logic and intellect, and in a sense control (control, as in winning debates).


169 posted on 02/08/2013 6:57:12 PM PST by Chaguito
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