Posted on 02/06/2013 4:11:39 AM PST by NYer
You thought there couldn’t be a law and religion angle to today’s news—fascinating for us history nerds—that archaeologists have discovered the mortal remains of Richard III beneath a parking lot in Leicester? Think again. Plans are underway to re-inter the bones in the city’s Anglican Cathedral. Not so fast, say some: the hunchback king wasn’t a Protestant, but a Catholic, and he requires a Catholic burial. In fact, as Shakespeare fans know, Richard died at Bosworth Field (“A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!”), defending his throne from Henry Tudor. Henry went on to reign as Henry VII; his son, Henry VIII, broke with Rome. As The Tablet’s blog argued this morning, “Had Richard prevailed at the Battle of Bosworth Field, there would have been no Henry VII, therefore no Henry VIII and no Reformation. England today might still be a Catholic country.” Think of it: no Reformation, no Established Church, no Archbishop Laud, no Puritans, no Great Migration — no Massachusetts! — and no Establishment Clause. Surely there’s a law review article in there somewhere.
Leicester Cathedral seems to know it’s facing a sensitive situation. A Catholic priest is keeping watch over Richard’s remains (as is an Anglican, I believe), and the cathedral is planning a “multifaith” burial ceremony. Personally, I’m not sure why English Catholics are so keen to claim Richard, anyway. They must be forgetting the nephews in the Tower.
Many Christians are unconsciously neo-platonists. The doctrine of the General resurrection is little emphasized.
Cranmer was a correspondant with Calvin, and I suspect their theologies were not that far apart. Calvin was rather indifferent to forms of church government or shapes of liturgy. He was willing to let Polish reformers keep their bishops, and his own “order of service” was a kind of stripped down mass. He even suggested a weekly Eucharist but went along with his Geneva friends. In many respects Calvin was not a Calvinist.
But Shakespeare was a flack for the Tudors.
There are degrees of saints. The word means “holy one.”
As I remember from my old history books, there was a lot of “Southern Gothic” in Robert E. Lee’s family.
One can believe many things that are wrong. As for the dead, my mother may be dead but she remains my mother. Death cannot change what has already happened.
Yeah, he took Thomas More’s tripe and ran with it. It’s a good play, a FUN play, but it is not history.
One can believe many things that are wrong. As for the dead, my mother may be dead but she remains my mother. Death cannot change what has already happened.
He didn't "interpret the Bible literally," did he???
Good description.
What fun would history be, anyway, without the crazy upper-class people? I’ve got nuts in my family, but they’ll never be in encyclopedias.
When I was a student, I took many a Southern Gothic literature course: Flannery O’Conner, Faulkner, Carson McCullers...you name it. Awful stuff, really, but with a grounding in reality!
Sharyn McCrumb, who looks like a thinner Barbara Mikulski (but just barely thinner) writes Southern Gothic novels, as well as a straight mystery series.
Indeed. Given the Calvinist mantra (you should not have a priest interpret the Bible for you, but read it yourself), I was amused to look at the first Calvinist Bible printed and find that it is packed with interpretation of Scripture, printed in an outer margin.
The word means “holy one.”
As for the dead, my mother may be dead but she remains my mother. Death cannot change what has already happened.
But really, we are arguing semantics only.
It means a person with special graces from God. The Reformers were not,like so many present day evangelicals ones who thought that he had been chosen by God was among the Elect. Saints are God’s chosen few, often times unknown but to him; while others, who may seem that way to the world, are not.
No, she IS my mother. Nothing can change that.
No, she IS my mother. Nothing can change that.
HOLY COW, I’VE BECOME BILL CLINTON!!!
Saints are God’s chosen few...
Interestingly, that is how I see those who have been chosen by God. That is, all of what the Bible calls “the saints”. The believers.
If we remain the same persons after death, then we shall be raised as the same persons, but glorified or damned in accordance with our merit.
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