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Can abortionists really be Christians?
LAN ^ | Cassy Fiano

Posted on 02/05/2013 2:22:35 PM PST by Morgana

There’s something disturbing about abortionists, and the activists who support them, pretending that Jesus would be totally cool with abortion. You can kill babies all day long and still be a Christian, like, for sure!

That’s the latest claim from one abortion supporter, Reverend Matthew Westfox, the associate minister at All Souls Bethlehem Church. He’s insisting not only that you can be an abortion worker and still be a Christian, but that you’d also be serving God as you rip the little babies from their mothers’ wombs! Hallelujah!

Many times in my ministry, a conversation with abortion clinic staffers that began with talking about the spiritual needs of patients ends on a far more personal note. We talk about the spirituality they find in their work, the religious questions they have about abortion and their role in it, or simply their sadness over feeling that their work means they cannot join a faith community if they want to.

One doctor started his career as a minister, and sees his work in the clinic today as a way of serving God’s people, but he rarely talks about it in those terms. A nurse I spoke to says a prayer for her safety and that of her coworkers every day before leaving for work. An office manager told a colleague of mine that she braces herself every time she checks the mail, wondering how many hate letters she’ll come across, and wants a sacred community to turn to for support. One clinic counselor said she misses the rituals and music of her faith community, and often thinks about trying to find a church, but worries about being judged or shunned when small talk leads to questions about where she works.

… But when so often the only image we have of abortion providers is painted by those who seek to demonize them, and to use faith to do so, understanding the role that spirituality and faith play in the lives of some of those who do this work is deeply important. Particularly when so many feel their work means they will not find welcome in the houses of worship.

The spirituality they find in their work? A way of serving God’s people? Come on now. Let’s get real. As Kristen pointed out, every Christian deep down knows the truth about abortion and Christianity. This is delusion at its finest. You cannot be a Christian and be an abortionist, or advocate for abortion, or work to further abortion. 10-weeks-abortion

Partial remains of terminated human fetus after abortion at 10 weeks after fertilization.

It’s also somewhat sickening to hear abortionists speaking about how there is “spirituality” in their work, or that they’re serving God’s people. While I have no doubt that God is present at every abortion, He’s not there on behalf of the abortionist tearing the babies into pieces limb by limb, snuffing out their tiny lives. It’s sickening to hear abortionists using spirituality to whitewash their bloody work. What god is someone serving that he sees spirituality in this?

Now, as Christians, should we accept abortion workers into our parishes and churches? Yes, we should. Shunning them won’t change their hearts. Pushing them away won’t bring them to the light. Working in the abortion industry does not mean that there is no hope for that person. Let’s be honest: we’re all sinners in some form or fashion. God’s mercy can save us from those sins, even when it comes to those who work in abortion. And those people can’t find God’s love and forgiveness – and learn to change their ways – if we make them feel unwelcome and shun them from our congregations.

An abortion worker can’t be a true Christian – not while he’s advocating and furthering abortion. But that doesn’t mean he never can be. It’s never too late for someone to do some real reflection and introspection, and to see and accept the truth. Until that day comes, Isaiah 5:20 will be applicable to their claims.

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: abortion; christians; prolife
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1 posted on 02/05/2013 2:22:46 PM PST by Morgana
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To: Morgana

No.


2 posted on 02/05/2013 2:25:25 PM PST by re_nortex
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To: Morgana

They may THINK they’re Christians, but someday they’ll have a rude (and hot) awakening.


3 posted on 02/05/2013 2:26:43 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Morgana

The Lord uses the good ones, while the bad ones use the Lord.


4 posted on 02/05/2013 2:27:19 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Morgana

No.


6 posted on 02/05/2013 2:28:29 PM PST by sport
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To: Morgana

I think the 10 Commandments are clear.


7 posted on 02/05/2013 2:29:55 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Morgana

Only the Liberal A-Holes talk about ‘Faith Communities’ or ‘Faith Traditions’.

It’s called religion and it has rules. It is not a tradition. It is a fact.


8 posted on 02/05/2013 2:31:35 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: narses; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Salvation; NYer; Tax-chick; GeronL

Am currently reading a book that is so unreal.

It is called “Abortion My Choice, God’s Grace: Christian Women Tell Their Stories” It is by Anne Eggebroten.

It was copyright 1994 and it’s ISBN 0-932727-79-0

When I first picked it up thought it was going to be another book of “I regret my abortion” stories. Far from it. Now most of the women do, but the stories will shock you. Like the woman who was coerced by her church to have an abortion because she “must obey her husband who does not want any more children”. The deacon and his wife drove her to the clinic but dropped her off down the street from the clinic and made her go in alone. She sat alone in the clinic, crying with her Bible praying God would deliver her baby just had he had speared Abraham’s son from sacrifice. Later her husband left her as you all could imagine.

Other stories include a Christian woman working as a clinic escort because that is showing the love of Jesus.

Just one story after another like this.


9 posted on 02/05/2013 2:33:24 PM PST by Morgana (This space for rent.)
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To: Morgana

After they repent .... and become Christians.


10 posted on 02/05/2013 2:34:24 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Morgana

When they engage in war against the innocent unborn they give up their souls to Satan and can no longer be a Christian, nor can they achieve salvation.


11 posted on 02/05/2013 2:37:39 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: El Cid

Repentence is overrated as a solution to the problem.


12 posted on 02/05/2013 2:39:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Morgana

Throughout recorded history people doing horrendous things have concocted all sorts of rationals to alter their conscience and allow them to function. Soviet NKVD and KGB guards murdered entire families and then went home to their own. So did SS thugs. Abortionists kill without remorse. This has become accepted behavior in the decadent age of Obama.


13 posted on 02/05/2013 2:43:08 PM PST by allendale
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To: Morgana

They certainly can BECOME Christians. That’s one major thing to pray for.


14 posted on 02/05/2013 3:16:41 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: muawiyah

“When they engage in war against the innocent unborn they give up their souls to Satan and can no longer be a Christian, nor can they achieve salvation.”

That’s not so, and you know it.

Sin is sin. And murder is murder. Saul (St. Paul) was engaged in war against the innocents though they were already born. They were innocents in that their sins had been removed from them as far as the east is from the west.


15 posted on 02/05/2013 3:23:18 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: muawiyah

And sinners don’t achieve salvation, it is a gift from God. No one is good enough.


16 posted on 02/05/2013 3:25:15 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (Pray for revival. <BCC><)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

Of course it’s true.


17 posted on 02/05/2013 3:37:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Morgana

Can people who volunteer to work as death camp guards be Christians?


18 posted on 02/05/2013 3:57:11 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: Morgana

I’ve heard one comment that since the baby had no life outside the womb. and died before the age of reckoning, that it goes straight to heaven anyway, so it will be better for the child. That is still twisted, and does not excuse the abortionists.


19 posted on 02/05/2013 3:57:11 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Morgana
There is NOTHING Christian about MURDER , in the womb or out of the womb and the people who advocate either certainly are not following Jesus.



There is nothing Christian about this so called Reverend nor his so called church.

From their website - http://www.allsoulsbethlehem.org/index.html
To that end we enrich our worship and spiritual pilgrimage by drawing from other wisdom traditions, including Buddhism and Native American spirituality, and from other wise teachers such as Gandhi and the Dalai Lama.


20 posted on 02/05/2013 3:58:48 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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