Posted on 01/27/2013 12:31:22 PM PST by marshmallow
John Cornelius, who is married, will be ordained this weekend -- and sex-free life begins
John Cornelius will be ordained a Roman Catholic priest this weekend — and with the blessing of his wife they're giving up their sex life. Cornelius, a father of three, will become the first married Roman Catholic priest in New York — and Sharyl, his wife of 33-years, has agreed to the whole celibacy thing.
“We have decided to do that voluntarily,” Cornelius told WGRZ-TV. “I have always had friends that are Roman Catholic priests and I appreciate what they've given up to serve God and the priesthood.”
Cornelius, 64, is a former Episcopalian priest who converted three years ago to Catholicism. He said his old church had gotten too liberal for him.
Holy water, swinging incense, bleeding statues, and making a cracker into Jesus?
That's irrelevant because they had the OT, which the Berean's searched to verify what Paul was teaching, and it was the OT Scripture which made Timothy wise to salvation.
Nobody needs the whole Bible to be saved and grow.
These Christians heard Scriptural Truths but they obeyed the Church obedient to Rome.
There is no Scriptural support for that.
In the days of 3 hour sermons lacking air conditioning, I think you overestimate how much Scriptural Truth the flock retained. They, many of them uneducated, didn’t look only to their limited knowledge of Scripture they heard for truth, but they looked to the Church.
Maybe illiterate, but not stupid. I am so sick of everyone acting like people who lived 2,000 years ago were morons. If they weren't literate, they had to do it all by memory. They had to have incredible memories.
Why would they obey those teaching Scriptural Truth, if those teaching it had no authority?
Because Scripture itself has authority. The Holy Spirit leads into all truth. Truth stands on its own and doesn't need man administering it. All believers have the Holy Spirit living in them.
not good enough...the church didn't leave you at all, it has been exactly the same for over 2,000 years. Oh, of course there were changes in very minor things like the Mass being said in the vernacular instead of Latin, and getting rid of the communion rail with the cloth folded over your hands, but by and large everything's the same.
You have to become comfortable with the church, it does not try to satisfy every minor need of every parishoner. Hispanics want more Spanish language Masses, younger people want more "in" type music but these are meaningless problems.
if you are furtunate enough to find yourself in Purgatory....yes it still exists....consider yourself saved...you will pay a small price for your behavior and spend eternity in Heaven....welcome home.
just try a little harder, you'll be fine.
they, like the apostles, were mere mortals, hence they are in need of guidance, that's what Jesus promised.....guidance... and He promised it until the end of time...
coitus interruptus and masturbation......surely you knew that
wouldn't you agree that is a little out of context???
many are called, few are chosen.....camels going through the eye of a needle.....the door to Heaven is not open to all who wish to enter....
A more literal translation helps here: ““Whatever you shall bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”
LITERAL TRANSLATION????? a total rewriting of the scripture!!!!!
nope, it was that he "withdrew" from her and spilled his seed upon the ground......birth control
It is what the Greek manuscript literally says. I read NT Greek.
Sorry tc, but if you read the passage in context and read the law, you will see the sin as God defines it.
nope, it was that he "withdrew" from her and spilled his seed upon the ground......birth control
Ok , why don’t you detail some facts, evidence or logic to back up the truth claim you are stridently insisting upon here? Otherwise you are just repeating the claim itself, with nothing to support it. Your roof is again, lying on the ground, looking like a pancake...
Your Church's teaching, nor Scripture's.
On the contrary, Scripture teaches taht ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
All is all, not most, not some, not everyone but one. All.
If Mary did not inherit her sin nature from her father, she was not human, therefore Christ did not share in our humanity.
the "assumption" which states that Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven by the power of God. (didn't ascend on her own)
There is no Scriptural support for hat either and just because Scripture doesn't come out and say something didn't happen does not give license to anyone to make stuff up and pass it off as truth when its not.
Do try to keep up. Catholics on the RF regularly claim the Catholic church WROTE the Bible.
And, no they were not SOLELY responsible for preserving and protecting it and making it available to YOU.
All anyone needs is one example to disprove that claim and it's *Dead Sea Scrolls*
And the Catholic church did it's darndest to keep the Bible OUT of the hands of the laity.
Do you need those pronouncements posted to you yet AGAIN?
say thanks!
Not to the Catholic church I won't. They don't deserve it.
Thank you God, the Holy Spirit, for preserving your word.
Annulment = Catholic church sanctioned divorce.
Nuff said.
The RCC is in no position to lecture ANYONE about divorce rates with the finessing of Scripture they do to justify it.
What *magic potions*? It's not mentioned in Revelation 9:21. And how do you know that it refers to birth control? What Scripture teaches that?
Revelation 9:20-21 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, 21 nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
Catholicism in a nutshell.
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6 just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9 So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
Wrong. Those popes were not like the apostles in the least.
The apostles were men of character and integrity.
Jesus promised the Holy Spirit and power from on high. We have Scripture and the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide, empower, and gift each individual believer.
Who decided which Scriptures were supernatural? Rome through a Council guided by the Holy Spirit.
The issue is what does this establish, and thus I asked you if your argument was that being the instruments and stewards of Divine revelation mean you are the assuredly infallible interpreters of it, and that no one has spiritual authority apart from their sanction, or in opposition to it? Affirm or deny so your polemic is clear. Instead of answering. you just went on again about Rome giving us the Bible....
How did Rome usurp that which She, guided by the Holy Spirit, decided upon in the first place?
Your answer is in response to my argument that Rome has usurped the supernaturally established Scriptures as the supreme authority by teaching things to things from praying to the departed to papal sanctioned torturing and killing of merely theological dissidents/ Thus your argument is that Rome can autocratically decree what is is Scriptural and right. Correct?
You can invoke whatever you want in support, but the reality is that Catholic teaching does not depend upon the weight of positive Scriptural warrant, only that is does not contradict Scripture, but no interpretation of Scripture has authority unless Rome gives it. Thus my first question above about what warrants this claim.
Also, the torturing and killing was a two way street. Catholics believe that the Pope is infallible when teaching on faith and morals.
This was on faith and morals, but was not a doctrine proclaimed to the whole church as such, yet your dismissal of papal sanctioned torture and murder of theological dissidents because this was not infallible, while impugning Protestants who used contraceptives (as a majority of women whom Rome treats and counts as members also do) will not do.
The issue is the basis for doctrine, the church as supreme or Scripture. Based on the latter, i reject contraception as well as mandated clerical celibacy as the norm, besides distinctively calling them priests, praying to the departed. etc. Your claims about Rome mean carry no weight with me, unless being the steward of Scripture confers perpetual infallibility and supreme authority to this entity, and that Rome distinctively is it.
Secondly, the reality is that Catholics and Catholic rulers had to obey the legislation on torture of those Rome considered "heretics," as they do now on non-infallible things if they will be considered doctrinally faithful Catholics, even though there is a little room for non-public dissent in non-infallible teachings. Which presents another problem:
There are other decisions the Popes have made which the Church does not claim are infallible.
Your answer presumes that Catholics know which of all the teachings of Rome are infallible and which ones are not, as well as what level of the magisterium other teachings fall into, and thus render the correct level of submission. This would be consistent with the position that Rome's magisterium provides the guidance you need to avoid confusion resulting from having to interpret the law-giver. Thus could you tell me where a complete infallible list of which class all teachings fall into? Of is this open to some interpretation, as well sometimes their meaning to some degree?
Rome decided upon the 72 books.(It’s not a coincidence that Jesus sent out 72 disciples.)
That depends upon how you want to count them (the OT Scriptures that Jesus referenced [Lk. 24:44] even counted some books as one but which we divide, and see here on the canon), but that's an argument one i never heard of. Harold Camping may be interested, while KJV advocates make interesting
http://www.biblebelievers.com/believers-org/kjv-stats.htm about it. I am not impressed with either as regards proof of particular Divine sanction.
But how do i know if I can trust the commentary in your Bible, and is accurate or not?
And again, since you place so much weight upon Rome giving is the Bible, which I presumed means Catholics knew for sure which ones are in it, then when did Rome provide an infallible, indisputable canon of Scripture?
And again, what place in the kingdom of God may those have who disagree with Rome have?
Jesus founded one visible Church. Not 40,000 and counting.
Besides evidencing that you again parrot statistics after they wereexposed as specious, you also ignore the fact that any body, especially sola ecclesia ones, can claim they are the supreme authority, and that the data support them. The LDs, which also operates under a sola ecclesia model, makes competing claims. And while they are fantastic ones, yet like as RCs see their church speaking as if it was God, they believe them. Thus again, upon what basis do you have assurance that Rome is the OTC?
Where is this “shared unity” as Christians keep dividing themselves more and more?
As substantiated, the shared unity is in evangelical faith and morals and commitment, based on a shared conversion and relationship with Christ which transcends divisions, with evangelicalism historically contending for certain core truths against cults who deny them, as well as Rome which adds to them certain unwarranted teachings, and thus were referred to as a distinctive class, and which is superior to what Rome fosters, despite what she says on paper. Yet both are overall declining in the latter day, and atheism rising.
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