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To: CynicalBear; stfassisi; betty boop; metmom; boatbums; P-Marlowe
That by definition is double predestination.

From my page...

Nowhere in my statement does it state that God foreordained who would be damned as indicated by the definition. It merely states who God would pass by. (See below)

Foreordained or predestined, it’s all the same.

No, it's not the same and wording is important. Otherwise God (via Paul) would have been redundant when He said, "Those who He foreknew he also predestined...". There are distinct differences between "foreknew" and "predestined". And the order of those words are important. However I hate to post any more from the dictionary since it seems to be such a heretical document. I'm running to the dictionary so much my "D" key is sticking.

Now you never answered my question. Do men purposely choose to go to hell? I'll answer it for both you and metmom who don't seem to want to address this. Of course they do not choose to go to hell. And that is what the confession tells us. As metmom rightfully stated in one of her post, men are deceived into going to hell. So how can you say there is a "free" choice if they're deceived?

640 posted on 02/01/2013 8:50:49 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD
>>Now you never answered my question. Do men purposely choose to go to hell?<<

How could they? Calvinists say man is predestined. God predestined Adam from which all men inherited a sin nature then God predestined only those He chooses to save. So by inference God predestined all to whatever outcome they are destined for. As was posted earlier on this thread. Calvinists believe “we are just along for the ride”. Not much sense in any more discussion on the matter.

650 posted on 02/01/2013 10:19:02 AM PST by CynicalBear
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