Here is a statement from your home page.
>>”God elects, chooses, before the foundation of the world whom he will save and whom he will pass by and leave to unbelief and sin and rebellion. He does this unconditionally, not on the basis of foreseen faith that humans produce by a supposed power of ultimate self-determination.”<<
That by definition is double predestination. It’s even stated in the Westminster Confession of Faith that you wanted me to read.
>>”By the decree of God, for the manifestation of his glory, some men and angels are predestinated unto everlasting life, and others foreordained to everlasting death.”<<
Now there are some fudge word’s Calvinists like to use to hide their true beliefs like the Catholics do in trying to defend their beliefs to hopefully somehow align with what scripture says but like the Catholics they fall far short.
Foreordained or predestined, it’s all the same. The belief of Calvinists leaves no wiggle room really. As was stated earlier in this thread. Calvinists believe that we are “just along for the ride”. So deny all you want but it’s right there on your home page for all to see.
Thanks, CB. It is pretty clear.
You don’t understand “pass by” and “leave”. In fact, you’re relying on a stereotypical view of Calvinism rather than on what they themselves say. There’s no reason you should know that much about Calvinism; there was a time that I, too, thought they all believed as the Primitive Baptists do.
Boy was I wrong.
the doctrine that God has foreordained both those who will be saved and those who will be damned.
Foreordained or predestined, it’s all the same.
No, it's not the same and wording is important. Otherwise God (via Paul) would have been redundant when He said, "Those who He foreknew he also predestined...". There are distinct differences between "foreknew" and "predestined". And the order of those words are important. However I hate to post any more from the dictionary since it seems to be such a heretical document. I'm running to the dictionary so much my "D" key is sticking.
Now you never answered my question. Do men purposely choose to go to hell? I'll answer it for both you and metmom who don't seem to want to address this. Of course they do not choose to go to hell. And that is what the confession tells us. As metmom rightfully stated in one of her post, men are deceived into going to hell. So how can you say there is a "free" choice if they're deceived?