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To: Elsie
The only thing "interesting" is that anyone who claims to be Christian doesn't know enough of the history of how we got to Bible to know that after hundreds of years of Roman persecution and destruction of copies of the NT Scriptures little other than Greek translations still existed.

After Romans destroying Scripture wherever it was found for several hundred years, few if any original language works survived. What did survive that wasn't a Greek translation varied from one fragmentary copy to the next far more than the surviving Greek translations did.

By the time Christianity was legal and not being constantly persecuted existing portions in every language were studied as were the widely distributed Greek translations with every existing sort of copy being compared to make the best possible Latin translation.

I know it's tough for the crowd who like to post pictures of themselves throwing feces to understand, but when the originals didn't exist, no one could use originals that didn't exist.

Of course, anyone who even read a children's book of how we got the Bible would know this so it must be tangent time to avoid the main point which is that the Douay-Rheims translation of the Bible correctly translates the word "overseers" as "prelates".

Until Martin Luther threw out portions of the Old Testament and wanted to throw out Hebrews (which would have sidestepped this and other issues for him), James (which contains direct contradictions of Luther's doctrines), Jude (which warns against Luther's doctrines), and Revelation (which contains epistles from Christ Himself), everyone knew and accepted that perlates were leaders in the church who had been properly ordained by someone with a direct connection back to Christ through ordination traced directly back to Christ just like a legal chain of evidence can trace something back to the point of origin.

King James saw the obvious benefits of retaining Luther's new definition of "overseer" as something other than the narrow meaning it had always had since Christianity began. Telling the peasants they had to obey the king and nobility as they would obey Christ Himself was quite useful and being useful that's what it was altered to mean.

The fact is, though, overseers are those who have a direct ordination connection all the way back to Jesus Christ Himself who established the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church to provide ordained shepherds to guide and direct His sheep to the Truth and keep them from going astray.

Those who cannot accept the Latin and the Douay-Rheims can, naturally, continue to preach their belief that, at the moment, it's King Barry who they must obey as being responsible for their souls. That makes it a lot easier for them to be guilt free while they go along to get along with his mandate that everyone help pay to further his eugenics based infanticide machine.

The only other alternative to the "King Barry is in charge of my soul" pretense is either the verse means "obey your Self", or that the verse means what the Catholic Church teaches it means and has taught it means for two thousand years.

Redefinition of terms is a favorite tactic of the fascist left that wants to destroy Christianity in this country so it's always interesting to see who else relies heavily on that tactic.

Likewise, it's interesting to see people use the same sort of diversion tactics with absurd questions like, "why didn't they use originals that didn't exist?".

It's little wonder the "obey yourself" lie suits the anti-Catholic boiler room crew, though. They're the sort of folks who claim claim murdering your children is, "Christian Liberty" and so churches shouldn't bother denouncing the murder of infants with abortificiant contraceptives.

422 posted on 01/08/2013 9:42:38 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Cute little tale, but it lacks truthful substance.

The early NT writings were definitely in Hebrew, and they were not all destroyed by the Roman thugs. Importantly, those original ms were translated into Galic and Gothic languages, and found their way to the northern reaches of the British isles in about 65 AD.

Those translations were at the basis of early Bibles in pre-english dialects, and did play into pre Geneva/KJV codices in the isles.

The complete gospels will come out, as the Lord has protected them in this manner from the ‘catholic’ corruption of the 4th and later centuries.


435 posted on 01/08/2013 11:04:07 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Rashputin
They're the sort of folks who claim claim murdering your children is, "Christian Liberty" and so churches shouldn't bother denouncing the murder of infants with abortificiant contraceptives.

HA ha!

If you CAtholics had any balls; you'd bar the door of every abortion 'clinic' in this country; instead of trying to make us feel bad!

442 posted on 01/08/2013 11:43:19 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rashputin; daniel1212
They're the sort of folks who claim claim murdering your children is, "Christian Liberty" and so churches shouldn't bother denouncing the murder of infants with abortificiant contraceptives.

Catholics are no strangers to contraceptives. The church isn't as pure as you all like to claim. Otherwise, we wouldn't have Catholics voting democratic so often.

daniel, do you have those stats on had about Catholics and priests views on contraception and abortion?

449 posted on 01/08/2013 12:26:34 PM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Rashputin; Elsie
Until Martin Luther threw out portions of the Old Testament and wanted to throw out Hebrews (which would have sidestepped this and other issues for him), James (which contains direct contradictions of Luther's doctrines), Jude (which warns against Luther's doctrines), and Revelation (which contains epistles from Christ Himself), everyone knew and accepted that perlates were leaders in the church who had been properly ordained by someone with a direct connection back to Christ through ordination traced directly back to Christ just like a legal chain of evidence can trace something back to the point of origin.

You are one to be pointing fingers at people with accusations of "lying" when you were corrected continuously over the FACT that Luther did NOT throw out any books of the Bible - PERIOD! But, here you are once again stating it like it was a known truth and as if no one ever proved you wrong before. What will it take for you to stop posting this nonsense?

529 posted on 01/08/2013 8:44:46 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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