11 Reasons the Authority of Christianity Is Centered on St. Peter and Rome

stpeterslist ^ | December 19, 2012

[Elsie]

#441

it’s just that many of those born-again groups are, well, Jesse Duplantis - it’s a bit difficult to hold with him, right?

[Elsie]

...your posts are only enlightening in the sense of revealing your utter lack of knowledge and propensity to get befuddled ...

[Elsie]

Glad to hear it -- though most of the other non-catholic posters here, disagree with it, mostly about the Trinity...

Did you just paint ME with your broad brush?

[Just mythoughts]

Why mangle John 3? Here we are told about Nicodemus who ‘secretly’ seeks out Jesus to tell Him, that Nicodemus knows that Christ is a teacher come from God. Christ was the leader of the protesters. He came to fulfill prophecy among other objectives. Hebrews 2:14 fits most appropriately with God's purposes.

Given this background information Christ tells Nicodemus something that He knows that Nicodemus has not been taught. Giving the implication the teaching is not new, as per the question of Nicodemus “Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?.....”

I have no clue who is the first one that decided they would fix the Words Christ spoke to Nicodemus, but the words ‘born again’ are not the words or the message or the instruction Christ was giving to Nicodemus or to Christians.

Christ is telling any and all the first requirement to SEE the kingdom of God... Except a man/woman be born *from above*, he/she cannot SEE the kingdom of God.

Those of Genesis 6 and Jude refused to be born of woman and journey through this flesh age, and they have already been sentenced to death. But, that sentence has yet to be fulfilled.

[Cronos]

BS walks -- you walk, right?

You do realise that it was editor-surveyer was the one saying it was written only in Hebrew, right?

Now go back and realize how all of your beliefs are based on incomplete reading....

[Cronos]

They would be seen as protesting towards the Catholic church, then huh? So they are Protestant.

Now you are the one categorising. And no, the term "Protestant" has been flexed too much over the years. Even some born-agains and non-trinitarians would claim to be Protestant and many Protestants would reject those claims.

So the very "p" term is redundant.

again, you look at the news article, whereas I gave you the link to the actual text which states that Therefore, the Church of Christ is present and operative also in these Churches, even though they lack full communion with the Catholic Church and "Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such have by no means been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation" -- ergo, your earlier post based on a headline is wrong.

[Cronos]

What the Greek corrupted translation says is irrelevent.

Its the Hebrew original gospel that counts, and that calls him a “throwing rock.”

Actually you don't even have any proof that the original was in any language other than in Koine Greek or Aramaic

In the New testament the words used are mostly Aramaic, not Hebrew

example: Matthew 27:46 eli eli lema sabachthani is ARAMAIC, not Hebrew as in Psalm 22:1 ‘eli ‘eli lama ‘azavtani

editor; Yeshua humorously called Peter “hard pebble,” a name that he had been called all of his life because it was the nature of his personality.

"all of his life" -- really, you know that hidden knowledge that the rest of humanity didn't know? Where did you find the evidence that he was called that "all of his life"?

and, "hard pebble" -- where do you keep coming up with so many errors? over and over again

Petros in Koine Greek (which is the greek of the time of Christ and the greek of the New Testament) was a synonym of Petra

Only in ancient (500 BC + ) Greek was petros meaning "small rock"

In Koine Greek pebble is translated as "lithos"

[Cronos]

What dispute — Iscool stated once that He was Catholic converting to being a Baptist, then recanted that, then other statements about being other things. Puts the entire veracity of the poster’s statements in doubts, right?

[Cronos]

the English term “priest” is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) — these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

[Cronos]

Oh, they give lip service to Jesus

That may be true about your sect, but not Christianity as a whole.

[Al Hitan]

Who should we believe? The gospel according to RCC or to Luke?

The Catholic Church is in agreement with Luke that Jesus gave Simon the name of Peter.

Your claim, however, is in opposition to the truth of Scripture.

YOU:

And you IGNORE the scripture (#180) I posted that PROVES He didn't [name Simon "Peter"]?

LUKE:

Simon, whom He also named Peter...

[Cronos]

it's drivel if you can't argue with facts, eh?

Cynical bear: Trying to carry over the Old Testament meaning of priest

The Bible: Exodus 19:6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

and 1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God

Sorry, the Bible contradicts what you are saying

The Church holds that, just as with the ancient Israelites, we are all a "nation of priests" and just as the ancient Israelites had ministerial priests set aside (Levites), so too do we have in the Church

The same structure -- with the difference that the High Priest is eternal Jesus Christ who is present at each Eucharist, each Mass

the Israelites abdicated their role as a “nation of priests” with their little foray into gold-calf making. -- sorry, that doesn't hold as we read in Exodus 16 how Aaron and Moses preach to the Israelites

Even in Exodus 19 with the pronouncement of you[a] will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ -- these come from God through Moses and in Exodus 19:22 you read And let the priests also, which come near to the Lord, sanctify themselves, lest the Lord break forth upon them.

This was before Moses went up into Mt. Sinai

during the Eucharist, Christ IS present as the High Priest

Christ is the High Priest and we are all His priestly nation -- whether lay priests or ministerial priests

The High Priest, Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the one-time Sacrifice -- note, this is a participation in the One-Time sacrifice which as seen in the words of the Apocalypse of St. John of Patmos, as seen in Heaven is the Lamb standing proudly with the blood of Christ in the Eucharist

So, just as in the OT the Israelites/we are all a nation of priest yet they/we had a ministerial priesthood, who, while part of the priesthood had additional, ministerial duties

And this is apparent in the roles of the elders (Presbuteros), bishops etc. in the New Testament -- NOTE: the English term "priest" is simply a contraction of the Greek word presbuteros (presbyster/elder) -- these have the responsibility of teaching, governing, and providing the sacraments in a given congregation (1 Tim. 5:17; Jas. 5:14–15).

[Cronos]

and the NT was written before the recorded history of the Catholic church.

sorry, but that is incorrect. The recorded history of the Church goes back to the Apostles.

Note also that Jewish canon was not closed until the Council of Jamnia in circa 90 AD. This removed many of the words from the Septuagint that were used by Christians as scriptural proof, which is why preaching Christianity from modern-day Jewish scripture is refutable by our Jewish friends. From the Septuagint, not so much.

[Cronos]

Nice self portrait!

[Cronos]

what ensures the ongoing inerrancy of His Church.

Yes, that did work out very well, thanks to God's grace alone His Church has won many to the Faith of Christ -- Germanics, Slavs, Baltics, Nordics, Naiman, Keralites etc. -- truly fulfilling the prophecy that God's praises will be sung from east to west.

[Cronos]

to turn your words on you It’s obvious to us who fo not renounce Christ's teachings that cynics continually express belief in themselves and their own powers of sola interpretation rather than in Christ alone

[Elsie]

Your claim, however, is in opposition to the truth of Scripture.

there's plenty of this to go around.

[metmom]

Where would God be without the church...well He would still be God, but you would have never heard of Christ, Mary and Joseph, Pilate, the Magi etc. etc. because it was through the Catholic church that this normal, human story was brought to you. You seem to think that this information, as holy as it is, would just somehow be there without someone to do the work to bring it to you. Thank God that the Catholic church was there to do it.

FOTFLOL!!!!!!

God did it and would have anyway without the Catholic church. The Catholic church is simply taking credit for it.

"Where would God be without the church..." ..... my foot...

[Elsie]

Nice self portrait!

If you like it so much; why did I have to post it for you?

[metmom]

An appeal to authority is only effective when the authority is universally accepted. Presenting a Protestant academic as an authoritative source in contravention to Catholic teaching and expecting Catholics to accept it is a fools errand.

The authority of the Catholic church is not universally accepted.