Posted on 01/04/2013 8:17:11 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
Every once in a while, someone of note questions or denies the classic Christian belief of a literal hell with eternal, conscious suffering. Then a debate rages and becomes personal between representatives of various perspectives on the issue...
Hell is real and terrible. It is eternal. There is no possibility of amnesty or reprieve. Daniel says that some of the dead will be resurrected “to shame and everlasting contempt.” Jesus says, “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. . . . And these will go away into eternal punishment.” Paul tells us:
God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.
(Excerpt) Read more at theresurgence.com ...
Rob Bell left Mars Hill, and Mark Driscoll is now the pastor there. He seems to repudiate Bell's teaching in this column.
No one was created by God to endure unendurable agony in Hell for all eternity. The idea is a smear on the character of our Loving God.
Go ahead and dump 50 random Bible verses on me. You are just wrong.
If I did hand you 50 verses that show that there is a hell and people are going there, how can I be wrong? Either there will be people in hell, as Jesus claimed, or there is no hell. WHat are you going to believe, the word of God, or your own misguided beliefs?
Hell is a place, God made it, and there will be people there, otherwise God wouldn’t have made it.
I'm not going to quote any Bible verses for you but I am curious. If you believe in God, that He is a loving God, and everything you believe about God, did you not learn that from the Bible? If you believe that part of the Bible, why would you reject other parts of it?
I’ll stick with the Bible. You are just wrong.
Why should a Holy God endure unrighteousness in His presence for all eternity future?
“Hell is other people.”
The conversation would go like this:
Believer: "The Bible says x."
Heretic: "I don't believe it."
Repeat 50 times...
Pointless.
Besides, I didn't post this to debate the topic of hell, I posted it to hopefully learn and verify that this heretical teaching by Bell has been rejected by his former church. From what I've gathered on from this column, that is INDEED the case.
I’m a huge Mark Driscoll fan. He’s at the Mars Hill in Seattle, though, not Michigan. I was out there last spring in his church on Palm Sunday.
Not all sons and daughters of Adam will have eternal life. Some fraction will face the death that atheists see for themselves - oblivion. It will be to we who are saved as if they had never existed.
This is what the Bible teaches. This is consistent with the loving God of Justice that the Bible teaches us.
This vision of eternal agony is not Biblical. This is Satan lying to us about the character of God.
Mark Driscoll and Rob Bell’s Mars Hill Churches are totally unrealated.
Actually, you are only partly correct. Driscoll is a pastor at a church in Seattle called Mars Hill, not the one Bell led and left in Michigan.
God gave man Free Will. It is our choice to reject Him. Without that “choice” we are not created in God’s Image.
You are basically saying that God is not “Just”. That is an impossibility, as all Christian Theologians have proven—if anything—that if there is a “God”, He must be Just. It is incomprehensible to think God could be Unjust-—then, you are thinking of paganism and their type of gods. It would be unjust to not punish evil-doers.
I am basically saying that death is death. Eternal agony is eternal life.
Lol, perhaps you should read Jesus’ own pronouncements about hell...Matthew 25:46 - He said it Himself.
Satan would LOVE that Christians would believe their sin and their witness means nothing simply because God will abolish Hell.
GOD GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON...WHY?
He won’t. Hence oblivion.
If the unrighteous are suffering eternally God is will be aware of their suffering.
I believe in Hell on Earth.
But I don’t believe in eternal torment.
Why? To give us eternal life. You guys are arguing that everyone has eternal life. Some in paradise, some in agony.
You also are arguing for etenal life for all, however you are also saying that Jesus died for nothing.
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