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Just so. If Jesus didn’t really mean what he said, then why did he let so many of his disciples leave? And why would they leave, unless they took his words literally but refused to accept them?

This question is at the very heart of the difference between Catholics and Protestants.

Although I believe in transubstantiation I am pretty sure if I had been in the crowd listening to Jesus say that we should eat his flesh and drink his blood I would have thought “that’s it I’m outta here, what a whackjob.”

Reading a book on Eucharistic Miracles helped to firm up my belief in the Real Presence, though it left me wondering if at the next communion the accidents of bread and wine would turn into the real thing like it did in some cases. I told my friend, who gave me the book, that if that ever happens to me I am going to FREAK OUT, and he said that if that happened to me he would freak out too.

Here are some important verses in John 6:

1-6 After this Jesus crossed the Lake of Galilee (or Lake Tiberias), and a great crowd followed him because they had seen signs which he gave in his dealings with the sick. But Jesus went up the hillside and sat down there with his disciples. The Passover, the Jewish festival, was near. So Jesus, raising his eyes and seeing a great crowd on the way towards him, said to Philip, “Where can we buy food for these people to eat?” (He said this to test Philip, for he himself knew what he was going to do.)

7 “Ten pounds’ worth of bread would not be enough for them,” Philip replied, “even if they had only a little each.”

8-9 Then Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother, another disciple, put in, “There is a boy here who has five small barley loaves and a couple of fish, but what’s the good of that for such a crowd?”

10a Then Jesus said, “Get the people to sit down.”

10b-12 There was plenty of grass there, and the men, some five thousand of them, sat down. Then Jesus took the loaves, gave thanks for them and distributed them to the people sitting on the grass, and he distributed the fish in the same way, giving them as much as they wanted. When they had eaten enough, Jesus said to his disciples, “Collect the pieces that are left over so that nothing is wasted.”

13-14 So they did as he suggested and filled twelve baskets with the broken pieces of the five barley loaves, which were left over after the people had eaten! When the men saw this sign of Jesus’ power, they kept saying, “This certainly is the Prophet who was to come into the world!”

15 Then Jesus, realising that they were going to carry him off and make him their king, retired once more to the hill-side quite alone...

... Some other small boats from Tiberias had landed quite near the place where they had eaten the food and the Lord had given thanks. When the crowd realised that neither Jesus nor the disciples were there any longer, they themselves got into the boats and went off to Capernaum to look for Jesus. When they had found him on the other side of the lake, they said to him, “Master, when did you come here?”

26-27 “Believe me,” replied Jesus, “you are looking for me now not because you saw my signs but because you ate that food and had all you wanted. You should not work for the food which does not last but for the food which lasts on into eternal life. This is the food the Son of Man will give you, and he is the one who bears the stamp of God the Father.”

Context is a wonderful thing. When Jesus talked about bread, he was referring BACK to the miracle of the previous day, and the one that had brought so many followers to him. None of what he said would make sense to ANY listener as referring to the Last Supper, which was a few years away...

I will add that it should be obvious that taking the Bible literally means that it is taken so when written, but not such as when metaphor is used, so that we neither believe that water has turned into blood even though David regarded it as such, (2Sam. 23:15-17, ) or that the Promised Land was “a land that eateth up the inhabitants,” or that “the people of the land...are bread for us” (Num. 13:32; 14:9), or thart Jeremiah did not literally eat God’s words when he said, “thy words were found. and I ate them,” (Jer. 15:16), nor Ezekiel (Ezek. 3:1) or John. (Rev. 10:8-9)

Those who insist on this kind of literalism have eaten the fruit of lies. (Prv. 10:13)

But what the basic literal hermeneutic of SS does require is that of taking historical accounts as literal events, but which officially sanctioned Roman Catholic scholarship denies, right in her own Bible: http://www.peacebyjesus.net/Ancients_on_Scripture.html#Remarks

Protestant attacks on the Catholic Church often focus on the Eucharist.

This thread is tagged as "ecumenical", and starts out like this?

Why should I even play the game?

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OK, let's play the "literal" game:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you

Taking the Catholic Eucharist is necessary for salvation, correct?

he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day

Taking the Catholic Eucharist is sufficient for salvation, correct?