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Is Christmas Pagan? No! It's time to learn some real history.... ^ | December 2012 | CatholicKnight

Posted on 12/23/2012 1:28:36 PM PST by Salvation

Is Christmas Pagan?

A Jewish Star of David Tops This Christmas Tree
About this time every year we hear the usual misnomer that Christmas is a Pagan celebration whitewashed by the medieval Catholic Church. We hear this from all corners. Secularists just accept it as fact. Catholics, rather embarrassingly, often try to gloss over it. While Protestant Fundamentalists frequently rail against it, usually calling for either a boycott of the holiday, or else a return to the Jewish festival of Hanukkah. (For some ridiculous reason, some Fundamentalists subscribe to the notion that if a certain date happened to be used by Pagans, that automatically makes anything Christians celebrate on that same date a bow to Paganism.) It is so widely accepted that people fail to address the possibility that the scholarship behind this common assumption might be flawed -- seriously flawed.

I submit to you that everything you've heard about the supposed "Pagan origin" of Christmas is false.  It is much hyperventilation over nothing really. Not only is it false, but it is based on such poor scholarship that it ought to be embarrassing to anyone who embraces it.  Sadly, it would seem the whole modern world has embraced this error, a serious error, which ought to give us some pause.

It's time to learn some real history....

The idea that the celebration of Christmas originated from Pagan origin comes from two 18th century scholars. The first was a German Protestant named Paul Ernst Jablonski. He was the one who first put forward the notion that the celebration of December 25th was one of the many Pagan influences of the Church of Rome (Catholicism) on Christianity. The second was a Catholic Benedictine monk named Dom Jean Hardouin who, in response to Jablonski, tried to show that while the Church may have adopted a pagan celebration of December 25th, it did so without compromising the integrity of the gospel. Both men were wrong. Jablonski erred in his theory that the Pagan December 25 pre-dated Christian celebrations, and Hardouin erred in assuming Jablonski's date assumption was correct in the first place. From these two catastrophic errors, the whole modern world has come to believe that Christmas was originally a Pagan celebration co-opted by the medieval Church.

The controversy surrounds an event that happened in the late 3rd century (AD 274) when the Pagan Roman Caesar Aurelian decreed that December 25th would mark the celebration of the 'Feast of the Unconquered Sun' god (or 'Sol Invictus'), noting the rise of the sun's ecliptic after the winter solstice (December 21 - 23).  Now, the sun worshiping cult can be traced in Rome back to about AD 158.  However, the marking of the summer and winter solstices had no significant relevance to this Roman cult at that time. Instead, the dates of August 9th and August 28th held more relevance, depending on what clan of the cult one followed. The marking of equinoxes and solstices had little relevance to early Roman sun worship. That was a job for astrologers who operated from a completely different religious perspective that had nothing to do with sun worship. So according to the ancient records anyway, Roman sun worshipers had no particular interest in December 25th, or the winter solstice for that matter, before AD 274.

In contrast however, the date of December 25th did hold some religious significance to Jewish converts to Christianity during antiquity. While it is true that we are currently unable to find evidence of Roman Christians celebrating December 25th as the date of the Lord's nativity until AD 336, there is some evidence that Jewish Christians in Rome held that date in high significance as far back as the early 2nd century (AD 100's), and there were some minor celebrations going on for a different reason.

Let's begin with the ancient Christian community in Rome, which had a fairly sizable Jewish convert population for some time. These Jewish converts to the Christian faith were accustomed to celebrating the Jewish Feast of Dedication (or Hanukkah), which early Gentile Christians certainly would not have had any problem celebrating with them, since the Scriptures record that Jesus himself kept this feast (John 10:22-23). However, in the years following the forced separation of Christianity from Judaism and the fall of the Second Temple (AD 70), Jewish Christians would have found themselves increasingly isolated and alienated from the larger Jewish community, and many of these Jewish Christians were "put out of the synagogues" anyway. Jews used a complicated lunar calendar in which the months never coincided with the civil calendar commonly used in the Roman Empire during that time. So Jewish Christians living outside of the Holy Land, would have found themselves alienated from all Jewish times and seasons once they were "put out of the synagogues" (Jewish excommunication). Thus early Jewish Christians found themselves completely immersed in a civil culture that had no connection to the Jewish calendar whatsoever, and any attempt to calculate the times and seasons among themselves would have resulted in endless debates and disputes between them. So they did what any Jew would do in a similar situation. They assimilated into the prevailing culture, but kept their distinctively Jewish identity and customs. Because they were believers in Jesus Christ however, they did so in a Christian context.

Jews always marked the 25th day of the winter month of Kislev as the start of the eight-day Feast of Hanukkah. Because they no longer had access to the Jewish lunar calendar, having been "put out of the synagogue," they simply observed the 25th day of the month that most closely aligned with the winter month of Kislev. That month on the Roman (Julian) calendar is December.  So for Christians of Jewish ancestry in ancient Rome, December 25th became of significant importance as the beginning of the Festival of Dedication, in which Jews remember the light that came into the Second Temple after the Maccabean Revolution in BC 167 - 160.  From a Jewish Christian perspective, this would have taken on even more significance, marking the coming of The Light of God (Jesus Christ) into the Temple as well (John 10:22-23).  However, the Jewish Christians were about to get a surprise from the Gentile Christians that would make their celebration even more significant.

The early Church was preoccupied with debates and disputes over the proper time to celebrate not the birth, but the death and resurrection, of Jesus Christ.  Again, the problem goes back to the Jewish calendar.  Christianity had been forcibly ejected from Judaism.  This is not because Christians rejected Jews.  Quite the opposite really.  It was the Jewish leaders who rejected Christians, telling them that by following Jesus of Nazareth they had apostatized themselves from Judaism.  The acceptance of uncircumcised Gentiles into the Christian communities just exacerbated the situation.  Essentially, the early Christians were rejected by the larger Jewish population and told they no longer had any connection to the Jewish faith and religion whatsoever.  They were all "put out of the synagogue" so to speak, many of which having never been granted admission in the first place, in what amounted to a full scale mass excommunication from Judaism and all things Jewish.  It was this ejection from Judaism that led to the Roman persecution of Christians in the first place.  So long as Christianity was considered a Jewish sect, Christians were under an accommodation made between the Jewish leaders and the Roman Empire, that exempted them from having to participate in emperor worship.  (Jewish leaders had for centuries agreed to make sacrifices to the Jewish God Yahweh on behalf of Caesar, and pray for Yahweh to bless his rule, rather than actually worship Caesar as everyone else was required to.  Because such action guaranteed Jewish allegiance to Rome, there was no need to force the emperor worship cult on the Jews.)  However, as Christians were ejected from all things Jewish, the Pharisees made arguments before Roman authorities that Christians could no longer enjoy the exemptions afforded to Jews.  Thus, when Rome finally agreed that Christians were no longer Jewish (AD 67), the Christians were then required to worship Caesar.   When they refused, they were tortured and put to death in the circuses of Rome.  This Roman persecution of Christians continued from the late 1st century, until the Edict of Milan in AD 312. 

In addition to this ongoing Roman persecution, ancient Christians were confronted with a problem created by no longer having access to the Jewish calendar.  The date of the Passover could no longer be accurately projected, thus the dates marking the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ could not longer be accurately projected either.   No longer having reliable access to the Jewish calendar, ancient Christians set out to create their own method of calculating the time of the Passover, and thus projecting the dates of Good Friday and Easter (Pasch) Sunday.  Naturally there was a significant amount of dispute over this, especially between the Eastern and Western Christians, but in the 2nd to 3rd centuries (AD 100 through 300), there was a consensus among Roman Christians that March 25th marked the actual date of Christ's crucifixion according to the Roman (Julian) calendar.  Later research would reveal this to be impossible, but for those early days of the Church, that was the consensus among Christians living in and around Rome. 

There is another dimension we must add to this here.  It is called the 'integral age.'  Here we have yet another example of ancient Jewish influence on early Christianity.  While such a belief is found nowhere in the Scriptures, it was widely held by ancient Jews that great prophets died on the same date as either their birth or conception.  So according to this extra-biblical JEWISH TRADITION, which was accepted by early Christians (though it was never required as an article of faith), Jesus being the greatest of all Jewish prophets, must have died on the same date on which he was originally conceived in the womb of his mother -- Mary.  So March 25th came to be assigned not only as Good Friday (which rarely fell on a Friday actually) but also the date of the Annunciation, when the angel Gabriel announced the coming of Christ to the Virgin Mary, wherein she accepted her destiny and conceived Jesus Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.  March 25th is to this day marked as the Feast of the Annunciation in the liturgical calendar of the Roman Catholic Church.  Even though this date was determined by flawed calendar calculations coupled with extra-biblical Jewish traditions, it should be taken as the historical reason for the selection of this date as the Feast of the Annunciation.   It should not be taken as the literal date in which it actually happened.   There is no way we can know the actual literal date of Christ's conception.  Every theory out there is just speculation.  Still, the early Christians in and around Rome were satisfied with this date, and there is evidence that many Christians accepted it as both the Annunciation and Good Friday throughout various regions of the Roman Empire.

Okay, so now we have the date of Christ's conception and death, which was accepted by many early Christians from the 2nd to 3rd centuries.  The actual date of Christ's death would be recalculated in later centuries much more accurately, but March 25th would remain as the accepted date of Christ's conception in later centuries, as by that time the Jewish tradition of the "integral age" had fallen into obscurity.  To this day, March 25th remains the commonly accepted date of Christ's conception, if for no other reason than tradition's sake, and that is why we celebrate the birth of Christ on December 25th.  Just count exactly nine months from the traditional date observed as Christ's conception (March 25th) and you land on the 25th day of December, which from the fourth century (AD 300s) onward was marked as the traditional date observed as Christ's birth -- the Feast of the Nativity.  Of course, this worked out quite well for the Jewish Christians, particularly those living in Rome, because that date happened to coincide exactly (coincidence or providence?) with the beginning of the Jewish Christian observance of Hanukkah they had been celebrating on December 25th for a couple hundred years already.  Now the Jewish Christians living in Rome were not only celebrating the coming of the Light of God (Jesus Christ) into the Second Temple (John 10:22-23) along with remembrance of the light that entered during the Maccabean Revolution, but December 25th now marked the coming of the Light of God into the whole world at his birth!  Naturally, this added significance for this date to Gentile Christians as well, who were keen on celebrating birthdays, and in all likelihood the growing observance of December 25th among Christians in Rome was enough for the Pagan Caesar Aurelian to take notice of it in AD 274.  Thus, seeing how closely this celebration was in proximity to the winter solstice, he tried to trump it with his Pagan Feast of Sol Invictus.  The observance of December 25th was not a Pagan celebration hijacked by Christians as theorised by Jablonski and Hardouin in the 18th century, but rather the other way around.  It was a growing Christian celebration that the Pagan Emperor attempted to hijack instead, in his vain attempt to reunify the crumbling Pagan religions of Rome.  His attempted Feast of Sol Invictus (the Unconquered Sun), which marked the close of a winter solstice that Roman sun worshippers never cared about prior to his decree, was a miserable failure.  Basically, it was a flop!  The cult (and the empire) went extinct sometime in the 5th century.  By that time Christianity had spread throughout all the known world, and would soon come to power as Christendom, the prevailing governance of all Europe during the Middle Ages.

So that is how the date for Christmas (December 25th) came about.  The Octave of Christmas, on the Roman Catholic calendar, which spans from December 25th to January 1st, ends with the beginning of the civil new year, and is a tribute to the contribution made by the eight-day festival by early Jewish Christians.   In time the Jewish population of the early Church faded away, and with them the Jewish origins of Christmas fell into obscurity.  Hints and clues of this have remained with us to this day, but they are veiled by a general lack of historical knowledge.  Later, the Christmas festival was expanded to encompass a full twelve days, which came to be called Christmastide or the 'Season of Christmas,' marking the time between the Feast of the Nativity (December 25th) and the Feast of the Epiphany (January 6th), commemorating the visit of the wise men (magi) from the East.  In the West, the emphasis for Christmastide has always been on the first day of the twelve-day festival -- the Feast of the Nativity (December 25th).  While in the East, the emphasis has always been on the last day of the twelve-day festival -- the Feast of the Epiphany (January 6th).

In the Western world, other traditions and customs developed over the centuries.  Most of them are actually Protestant in origin, but equally enjoyed by Catholics.  The Christmas tree comes from Germany, particularly from the Protestant founder Martin Luther.  Yule logs and mistletoe likely come from northern European folk customs.  Some may perhaps be Pagan in origin, but have since lost their Pagan meaning.  These things have little significance in the modern celebration of Christmas anyway.  Of course the legends of Santa Claus originated with the Catholic Saint Nicholas, who is the patron saint of sailors and children.  The story of his life has been embellished with legends and myths from all over the world, resulting in the Santa Claus traditions we are familiar with today.  Much of that was commercialised in the United States in the early 20th century.

So in answer to the above question.  No, Christmas is not Pagan.  Far from it really, but it seems that some people are hell bent on finding something Pagan about it, regardless if it is true or historically accurate.  So have a Happy Advent and a Merry Christmas everyone!

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To: Salvation
Why post yet another thread that really has at its premise a snarky denigration of "Protestants"? Funny that this post actually DOES show that the early Christians did NOT celebrate the birth of Christ and that all the trappings that slowly glommed onto the "holiday" - wreaths, decorated trees, lights, candles, presents, etc. - really DID have pagan origins.

I honestly do not have any problem with what has now been turned into an occasion to bring together families, delight children with fantasies, feasts and gift giving and to celebrate the birth of the Savior of the world. But, there is no reason whatsoever to try to weasel out of the "true" origins of what this time has become. To try to blame those horrid "Protestants" for being such Grinches is worth a belly laugh only Santa can perfect!

41 posted on 12/23/2012 5:28:09 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: uncommonsense

Sukkot is in Autumn

42 posted on 12/23/2012 5:29:35 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Amen! As foretold in the Old Testament!

43 posted on 12/23/2012 5:33:19 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: BipolarBob; narses
When I check around and see that those who run their mouths about “pagan” holidays or “the Sabbath” and see that they're not constantly beating the drum against daily pagan infanticide by contraceptive, I know they're hypocrites who can barely even move due to the weight of the huge beam in their own eye.
44 posted on 12/23/2012 5:39:08 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I believe Jesus does celebrate Christmas. With His Church and His body, the Communion of Saints.

Advent is a time of preparation and anticipation. Advent is latin for “coming.” Christ coming in the Incarnation; His coming into our lives and His second coming in the future. It is a time for quiet reflection, prayer and conversion.

If we mark the time in this manner, I believe Christ is with us.

45 posted on 12/23/2012 6:05:58 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Salvation

Amazingly, 700 years before the Savior’s birth!

46 posted on 12/23/2012 6:16:25 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international. Gone.)
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To: boatbums; Salvation

The Church has been here for give or take 1,979 years and will continue to celebrate the greatest gift of all time, namely the gift from the Father of His Son, that who so ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
Now, I could care less if those outside the Church celebrate this gift on 12/25 or not, but i do find it interesting that this “pagan” charge resonates with those who continually attack the Body of Christ.
The reason it does i guess is that it plays into their narrative that the Church went apostate in the 2nd century and had to be restored in the 16th, 17th, 18th or 19th century ( depending upon what “group” you belong to )
The Church will continue to proclaim the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus until He comes again, just as she has been doing for 1,979 years, whether BB or anyone has a “problem with it” or not. deal with it.

47 posted on 12/23/2012 6:18:52 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Salvation; boatbums

it doesn’t happen often, so i couldn’t pass up the chance to agree 1000% with AMPU,


“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders.” “And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
Isaiah 9:6

48 posted on 12/23/2012 6:22:09 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: roamer_1
Really doesn't matter ~ if you want a feast day you set one. The day we first observe that the Solstice is over is a propitious day ~ it means we are going to eventually have longer days, warmer weather, and a new year of peace and plenty.

Imagining that you can't use a date also used by pagans because they were, in fact, pagans is a violation of the principle Peter set in his discussion of what foods were acceptable, which were prohibited, and what about food sacrificed to idols.

I don't think Peter showed any concern at all for which day the food was sacrificed, and neither should we!

Last thing we want as Christians is for the pagans or their successors to get the idea they can whipsaw us around and make us do things. We do what we want, when we want, for our own reasons.

49 posted on 12/23/2012 7:18:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Albertafriend

That gets Jesus to the Temple on time when he becomes a man.

50 posted on 12/23/2012 7:20:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Lee N. Field; Salvation
Actually, there are some real old timers ~ not Fundies at all ~ who won't even attend church services between December 15 and January 7 ~ which avoids the problem of having a Christmas service at church.

There are several old time Lutheran churches within about 20 miles of Fort Wayne who actually discuss the ideas behind this on their websites. Otherwise they're pretty normal for Lutherans.

Then there are the Old Apostolic Lutherans ~ either kind too ~ pre or post reform in the 1800s. They don't have anything to do with Christmas OR doctors, yet they have a milieu of rules that puts the RCC to shame. They are not Fundies either.

I think what may be thought of as a return to Hanukkah is the much more common use of December 5 as OLD CHRISTMAS ~ which, when combined with a local aversion to Christmas tree lights might well be taken as a preference for another traditional feast day.

This sort of thing popped up in the free church movement ~ otherwise they're pretty much run of the mill Dutch and Swedish Presbyterians.

My paternal grandfather thought it unChristian to celebrate Christmas ~ my maternal grandfather thought it should be celebrated on December 25 ~ and that rule was enforced. So we did Christmas Eve, a totally different event, on the 24th with one set, and Christmas on the 25th with a major family reunion ~ with 30+ first cousins, all the inlaws, and the cousins and their kids from my grandmother's brother's family ~ her small 4 room home would creak, and bang, and we'd all eat like pigs with regular rest breaks where folks would go to other nearby houses to play canasta and drink thick, dark, spoon stands up in it cofffee and hot cocoa.

Grandma was very poor and i still miss her ~ we'd argue Social Security for hours ~ she loved politics ~ and never voted one single time for the evil FDR.

51 posted on 12/23/2012 7:32:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Salvation
Jesus' birthday is of no significance, his gift came via death and resurrection and not his age at the time.

Equinox and Solstice are cornerstones to life and have been so since life existed on earth. (If you don't believe that just pay attention to your own mood shifts as the seasons change, then see how the animals react to those changes... of course, there is also that crop cycle thing.)

Christmas on December 25th isn't "pagan", it's Human, it's a sign of life.

If Christians elect to celebrate their savior on that date and if Jews elect to memorialize their faith four days earlier - so be it and so what?

Isn't it of more value to acknowledge that we are all (well, lots of us) celebrating the same promise, and that we are all bound by the same values from the same source?

52 posted on 12/23/2012 8:11:35 PM PST by norton
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To: norton
And, as Salvation said in the original:
May you all enjoy a blessed Christmas.
53 posted on 12/23/2012 8:16:01 PM PST by norton
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the post! I love history and new info about early Christianity and their celebration of traditions are of great interest!

MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone here at, and may God richly bless you in the year to come.

54 posted on 12/23/2012 8:52:51 PM PST by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
The Church will continue to proclaim the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus until He comes again, just as she has been doing for 1,979 years, whether BB or anyone has a “problem with it” or not. deal with it.

Who's "attacking" the Body of Christ? I am a member of that body - deal with it.

If, however, you want to actually discuss the subject of this thread - whether or not the celebration of "Christmas" has pagan roots or not, just simply say so - no need to get defensive about it.

Like I said, I do not have a problem with the holiday. If it actually WAS the celebration of the birth of Jesus at the start, it would be fine, too. But we know that it was not something the first Christians noted and it took several hundred years for it to start being seen that way. We have no mention of Jesus' birthday being celebrated when he was physically here on earth nor do we have any mention of it from the Apostles. I think the celebration of the light coming into the world with the birth of Christ is worth celebrating, but it was his death and resurrection that deserves the MOST, of course. There can be no denying that there were many ancient customs around that time of year and that many of them found their way into the Christian religion either by chance or purposely. I think we can ALL agree that the rampant consumerism and greed factors have diminished whatever spiritual purpose intended when Christians started observing it. It's up to us to continue the correct reason for the season and do whatever we can to not allow the amazing grace of God who gave us the unspeakable gift of eternal life through His Son to be lost in the shuffle.


55 posted on 12/23/2012 10:11:44 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Salvation

I will be sharing this with my children this evening. All 6 Homeschooled children.
Thank you and God Bless, Merry Christmas

56 posted on 12/24/2012 12:08:37 AM PST by Conservative4Life (FROM MY COLD-DEAD HANDS....)
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To: Salvation
What days did Jesus celebrate?

Don't take my word for it.
Look the sources up yourself.
And finally, TRUST YOUR BIBLE.
Don't put your faith into the word of any man.

57 posted on 12/24/2012 12:22:25 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: muawiyah
Really doesn't matter ~ if you want a feast day you set one.

Really, it DOES matter. Does YHWH change? Did YHWH ordain His Holy Days? And what is the purpose of those days?

It matters because those TRUE Holy Days, and their purpose, go wanting. I doubt that more than 1 in 100 Christians even know what they are.

Last thing we want as Christians is for the pagans or their successors to get the idea they can whipsaw us around and make us do things.

LOL! They already have.

58 posted on 12/24/2012 1:35:30 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Yosemitest

Are you jehovah’s witness? They’re alla’ time messing with the schools over kids’ birthdays.

59 posted on 12/24/2012 1:39:46 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: roamer_1
Look, it's axiomatic that God created all the days ~ they are all holy. He gave man free will to make decisions including naming everything in Creation.

You are confounding a calendar with a religious rite. The solstice is a phenomenon that happens with or without religion ~

60 posted on 12/24/2012 1:44:15 AM PST by muawiyah
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